Thief: Deadly Shadows

Post by **Foo** » Thu Jun 15, 2006 11:26 pm

Lol, the engine is miles better than Q4s (Dynamic lighting that doesn't look like shit, bump mapping, all that faggy jazz), and to top it off the game's pretty sweet too.

The city section is pretty dull and frustrating and the same goes for sections where you're up against the undead and other junk like that, but it's broadly more of the usual thief goodness with a kickass engine that complements it perfectly.

Sneaking up on the cook by closing the oven door and snubbing the candles to make the room dark is pretty immersive stuffs.

Post by **MKJ** » Fri Jun 16, 2006 7:45 am

its collision detection is a bit off though

Post by **o'dium** » Fri Jun 16, 2006 9:50 am

It glitches like shit sometimes, but its one of the best games i played in years... Fucking fantastic game, I'll give it that. Loved it.

I loved Hitman Blood Money too... I think i may have a secret sneaking fetish...

Post by **Mat Linnett** » Fri Jun 16, 2006 4:23 pm

A lot of Thief purists view it as being the worst of the series, but I think that Shalebridge Cradle more than makes up for any perceived deficiencies.
It's still my favourite level in a FPS game to date. Not that I can actually play it again mind. It freaks me out too much :E

Post by **Geebs** » Sat Jun 17, 2006 6:14 am

they won't let me leave

Post by **Foo** » Sun Jul 02, 2006 11:43 pm

And lo, I have completed yon game.

That was fucking fantastic. And you're not wrong about the shalebridge level. The first encounter in the second section, I thought it was a clever mirror trick for a while. Shit me up something chronic.

I rate that higher than HL2 I think.

Post by **Foo** » Mon Jul 03, 2006 12:20 am

"I shall endeavour to flee thee!"

"What manner of abomination art thou!?!"

"Tis nought a place for the likes of mine self!"

All hammerites when running from laurel

Post by **tnf** » Mon Jul 03, 2006 12:22 am

Shalebridge is quite a level.

Post by **Dr_Watson** » Mon Jul 03, 2006 5:51 am

the problem with the thief games is that the developers have some sort of zombie fetish.

Post by **Ryoki** » Mon Jul 03, 2006 8:31 am

I rather liked it, but then after a few hours of play i ran into a puzzle i couldn't solve and just sort of gave up. Had something to do with running from A to B before a certain door closed but i couldn't for the life of me figure out how to actually run...

Heh.

Post by **Foo** » Mon Jul 03, 2006 10:24 am

Dr_Watson wrote:the problem with the thief games is that the developers have some sort of zombie fetish.

This seems the problem with a lot of good singleplayer games.

HL1 for example, they lapsed into that zen crap.

In Thief, you stop facing human opponents and go on to zombies and gargoyles.

In Far Cry, you end up fighting trigens instead of grunts.

I think the developers get bored or paranoid with running just one kind of enemy/environment, despite it being those enemies and environments which make the game so enjoyable, and go about creating a wholly different setup for a change of pace.

Maybe it's needed tho. It's often commented that zen in hl was crap compared to the rest of the game but I wonder how rich the game would have felt upon completion if it hadn't shifted pace in that way during the story.

Post by **MKJ** » Mon Jul 03, 2006 10:34 am

half life 2 is pretty good in its enemy development though
combine are more fun to fight than zombies, i say

Post by **StormShadow** » Mon Jul 03, 2006 2:11 pm

I found the AI to be absolutely dreadful in Theif 3: Deadly Shadows.. I could be literally 2 feet from a bad guy and he wont see me. Maybe im just too awesome.

Post by **Foo** » Mon Jul 03, 2006 2:26 pm

StormShadow wrote:I found the AI to be absolutely dreadful in Theif 3: Deadly Shadows.. I could be literally 2 feet from a bad guy and he wont see me. Maybe im just too awesome.

More like you had your gamma jacked up and room looked bright, but you were actually in total darkness.

Hardly the game's fault.

Post by **MKJ** » Mon Jul 03, 2006 2:29 pm

thats what im thinking

Post by **blood.angel** » Mon Jul 03, 2006 2:48 pm

The AI was bugged on launch. Regardless of what difficulty you choose at the start, once you saved and loaded or walked through a mist door the AI reverted to Easy for the rest of the game.
The 1.1 patch fixes this, but if you played the xbox version you're fucked. But then again if you buy a FPS on a console rather for the PC you deserve to be fucked in the ass.

Post by **MKJ** » Mon Jul 03, 2006 2:51 pm

thief is a 3rd person game mostly

and did the xbox version revert to easy? really? i know it fucked up the sound often, forcing you to do a save/load routine :A. never noticed the difficulty though

Post by **StormShadow** » Mon Jul 03, 2006 2:53 pm

blood.angel wrote:The AI was bugged on launch. Regardless of what difficulty you choose at the start, once you saved and loaded or walked through a mist door the AI reverted to Easy for the rest of the game.

Ahh, that explains it. I might reinstall the game and DL the patch in that case...

Amazing how a blatant bug like that can get thru beta testing.

Post by **blood.angel** » Mon Jul 03, 2006 3:08 pm

StormShadow wrote: Amazing how a blatant bug like that can get thru beta testing.

They didnt give two fucks about the game or the franchise. I would say I'm a thief fanboy, hell made a few maps myself (but never released due to how shit they were) but its so fucking obvious they were only in it for the xbox money.
The .ini files for the PC are littered with xbox variables and settings, some of which make no fucking sense other than there for quick botch fixes.
It took a fucking petition and a year to get them to release editing software to make maps for T3. Think that would satisfy the fans and spark life into it? Hell fucking no, they gave us the editing tools alright, but didnt notice the obvious bug where EVERYTHING of the stock objects and textures are copied over into the new map when they didnt need to be. So maps are 50mb big when they should only be 5mb. Killed the fucking scene there and then. I think theres only twenty or so maps released to date.

Post by **dzjepp** » Mon Jul 03, 2006 3:59 pm

Blame the pc warezmonkeys

Post by **Mat Linnett** » Mon Jul 03, 2006 5:41 pm

You been keeping an eye on The Dark Mod b.a?
If there's any future for community Thief maps, I think it lies with that mod.
It's a modded D3 engine with artistic assets, the whole caboodle.

Post by **Tsakali_** » Mon Jul 03, 2006 6:25 pm

Splinter Cell Chaos Theory was another good sneak up game., The AI imo was pretty impresive, they had excelent possition and map control, and depending on your actions thier reactions felt as if they were decided on the fly. The AI briliantly recreates the inteligence of low end security personel.

Post by **o'dium** » Mon Jul 03, 2006 7:34 pm

Tsakali_ wrote:Splinter Cell Chaos Theory was another good sneak up game., The AI imo was pretty impresive, they had excelent possition and map control, and depending on your actions thier reactions felt as if they were decided on the fly. The AI briliantly recreates the inteligence of low end security personel.

Wan't a fan of the third TBH

Hitman Blood Money is great when you play it like a sneak (And not guns blazing).

Post by **dzjepp** » Mon Jul 03, 2006 7:37 pm

Pff, the third splinter cell is the bestest!

Post by **blood.angel** » Mon Jul 03, 2006 9:36 pm

Mat Linnett wrote:You been keeping an eye on The Dark Mod b.a?
If there's any future for community Thief maps, I think it lies with that mod.
It's a modded D3 engine with artistic assets, the whole caboodle.

Aye it should be excellent once they get it finished. If they get it finished.