Monitor help

Post by **CyAne** » Fri Jul 07, 2006 3:32 pm

What do you guys think about *THIS* monitor? (with gaming in mind)

Acer AL1951cs
Display Size & Type
19" thin film transitor
Resolution
1280 x 1024
Response Rate
4ms
Panel Technology
TN Film with CrystalBrite technology
Brightness
400 cd/m2
Color
16.7M
Pixel Pitch
0.294mm
Contrast Ratio
700:1
Horizontal Frequency
30~80KHZ
Vertical Frequency
56~75HZ
Horizontal Viewing Angle
150°
Vertical Viewing Angle
135°
Video Signal
Analog (D-sub) and Digital DVI-D

Post by **Foo** » Fri Jul 07, 2006 3:39 pm

It'll be fine.

Just don't expect the same kinda responsiveness in Q3 as a CRT running at 120hz. For everything else though, they're great.

Post by **D'Artagnan** » Sat Jul 08, 2006 1:59 pm

Well i have a viewsonic vx922 and quake III run smooth has my old CRT Viewsonic , its not the same technologie, the LCD monitor will refresh rate only if needed:
This is because while a phosphor on a CRT will begin to dim as soon as the electron beam passes it, LCD cells open to pass a continuous stream of light, and do not dim until instructed to produce a darker color.
Response time is the amount of time a pixel in an LCD monitor takes to go from active (black) to inactive (white) and back to active (black) again. It is measured in milliseconds (ms). Lower numbers mean faster transitions and therefore fewer visible image artifacts.

Older monitors with long response times would create a smear or blur pattern around moving objects, making them unacceptable for moving video. High response times can be annoying to a viewer depending on the type of data being displayed and how rapidly the image is changing or moving. Many current LCDs monitor models have improved to the point that this is rarely seen.

A figure of 8 to 16 ms for rise and fall times is typical. Claimed 2 ms response times for LCD displays are beginning to be advertised, but measurements these low are usually taken using "grey-to-grey" transitions, instead of black to white. The response time given by the LCD manufacturer is often the fastest measured, and not the average or maximum response time (which may be significantly longer).

In comparison, a CRT displaying a picture with an update frequency of 60 to 80 Hz could be said to have a response time of 12.5 ms and upwards. However, as the picture is updated completely (and virtually instantly) each time the electron beam passes over the screen, CRTs do not have the same problems with smearing or ghosting.

Post by **CyAne** » Sat Jul 08, 2006 10:23 pm

Thanks Foo, you're always so helpfull and special thanks to D'Artagnan for all the info!

In the mean time I went ahead and bought this Monitor.
Just couldn't resist... even though I was very much in doubt.

All I can say is:
Everyone is intitled to a mistake once in a while
Blur and smear are the keywords (FPS)
Staring at my crt again, Acer standing silently beside it

In it's defense, I'm using it analog wise, not digital (yet)
(I have no idea if that would make a difference)
And it is a very, very nice LCD for everything else!

Post by **+JuggerNaut+** » Sat Jul 08, 2006 10:44 pm

D'Artagnan wrote:Well i have a viewsonic vx922 and quake III run smooth has my old CRT Viewsonic , its not the same technologie, the LCD monitor will refresh rate only if needed:
This is because while a phosphor on a CRT will begin to dim as soon as the electron beam passes it, LCD cells open to pass a continuous stream of light, and do not dim until instructed to produce a darker color.
Response time is the amount of time a pixel in an LCD monitor takes to go from active (black) to inactive (white) and back to active (black) again. It is measured in milliseconds (ms). Lower numbers mean faster transitions and therefore fewer visible image artifacts.

Older monitors with long response times would create a smear or blur pattern around moving objects, making them unacceptable for moving video. High response times can be annoying to a viewer depending on the type of data being displayed and how rapidly the image is changing or moving. Many current LCDs monitor models have improved to the point that this is rarely seen.

A figure of 8 to 16 ms for rise and fall times is typical. Claimed 2 ms response times for LCD displays are beginning to be advertised, but measurements these low are usually taken using "grey-to-grey" transitions, instead of black to white. The response time given by the LCD manufacturer is often the fastest measured, and not the average or maximum response time (which may be significantly longer).

In comparison, a CRT displaying a picture with an update frequency of 60 to 80 Hz could be said to have a response time of 12.5 ms and upwards. However, as the picture is updated completely (and virtually instantly) each time the electron beam passes over the screen, CRTs do not have the same problems with smearing or ghosting.

i sure hope you weren't playing Q3 on the day of 07/07/06

Post by **D'Artagnan** » Sun Jul 09, 2006 12:06 pm

CyAne wrote: In it's defense, I'm using it analog wise, not digital (yet)
(I have no idea if that would make a difference)
And it is a very, very nice LCD for everything else!

On analog the image is not good at all, plug it on digital...

Post by **D'Artagnan** » Sun Jul 09, 2006 12:09 pm

+JuggerNaut+ wrote: i sure hope you weren't playing Q3 on the day of 07/07/06

And why i shouldnt play quake 3 on the 07/07/06 ?
In a mather of fact, i think i did...i play almost every day

Post by **+JuggerNaut+** » Sun Jul 09, 2006 6:52 pm

D'Artagnan wrote:
+JuggerNaut+ wrote: i sure hope you weren't playing Q3 on the day of 07/07/06
And why i shouldnt play quake 3 on the 07/07/06 ?
In a mather of fact, i think i did...i play almost every day

because...

if that was you, then

Post by **Foo** » Sun Jul 09, 2006 7:23 pm

Were you haccing jugs?

Post by **+JuggerNaut+** » Sun Jul 09, 2006 7:29 pm

lol, i just reinstalled a week ago and just want to play a few rounds. pretty much everyone on these boards can wipe the floor with me, so for this jackass to get all butt-hurt is a bit funny.

Post by **Oeloe** » Sun Jul 09, 2006 7:33 pm

D'Artagnan wrote:its not the same technologie, the LCD monitor will refresh rate only if needed

In comparison, a CRT displaying a picture with an update frequency of 60 to 80 Hz could be said to have a response time of 12.5 ms and upwards. However, as the picture is updated completely (and virtually instantly) each time the electron beam passes over the screen, CRTs do not have the same problems with smearing or ghosting.

Most TFT-LCD's are refreshed with 60 Hz and not in 'real time'. The fact that they have an active matrix doesn't mean that the individual pixels they are actually refreshed in real time. They are refreshed every 16.7 ms (60 Hz). Updating a pixel can take an LCD as little as 2 ms (best case), while CRT's update pixels in about 1 ms, because the horizontal refresh rate of around 1 kHz. So on average, the update speed of a CRT's pixels is about 2 - 10 times as fast as an LCD's.

@Juggernaut: broken videocard (artifacts)?

Post by **D'Artagnan** » Sun Jul 09, 2006 7:49 pm

+JuggerNaut+ wrote:lol, i just reinstalled a week ago and just want to play a few rounds. pretty much everyone on these boards can wipe the floor with me, so for this jackass to get all butt-hurt is a bit funny.

Who care if i didnt wanna play you on 1v1, if there a law agains that???
And i hate to play a fucking alias, i play for fun, not to get piss.
Thats why i mostly play ffa, just for the fun of it.
Thats all i had to say...say or think whatever you like , i don't give a F...

Post by **+JuggerNaut+** » Sun Jul 09, 2006 8:28 pm

people were in and out of that game and game mode was set FFA. i couldn't have cared less if you had just said "GGZ" and signed off or just signed off, but crying on your way out to get the last word was pretty pathetic.

and dont whine to me about an alias. nobody online would know my Q3W nick, so what difference does it make? zero.

@Oeleo, yeah, my good 'ol Geforce 32mb GTS is on its last leg :/