should canada bomb israel?...

Post by **Tsakali_** » Mon Jul 17, 2006 6:45 pm

heh, for the record I don't aprove of him as a president , not because his evil doings, but simply because he is a tard...everyone knows the presidency is just for show

Post by **dmmh** » Mon Jul 17, 2006 6:47 pm

Nightshade wrote:
dmmh wrote:its simple.....Bush thought of a plan to finally be able to attack Syria. Simpy have Israel launch some minor attacks on Hezbollah targets, first in Libanon, then in Syria, then have Israel kinda invade Syria and take over from there...after all, they are eachothers most trusted allies

simplicity maximus
lol @ the concept of ANY of this being Bush's doing.

posting geoof style there

Post by **Underpants?** » Mon Jul 17, 2006 7:58 pm

http://www.rollingstone.com/news/story/ ... ion_stolen
more freak-fodder

Post by **R00k** » Mon Jul 17, 2006 8:43 pm

What are you talking about? That's an excellent article, and well-sourced. There is a federal lawsuit being filed on the same claims.

Post by **Massive Quasars** » Mon Jul 17, 2006 9:45 pm

busetibi wrote:aint gonna happen.
Harper see nothing wrong with what Israel is doing.

http://www.canada.com/topics/news/story ... 2c023a7c83

Such a statement wouldn't contradict his position, it simply puts pressure on Israel to mind the civilian population as it undertakes this war on Hezbollah.

Post by **seremtan** » Mon Jul 17, 2006 9:50 pm

canada should bomb tonga. this seemingly random act would sow such confusion among the turrurist ranks, they'd throw down their weapons and beg for freedom and jeffersonian democracy

Post by **shadd_** » Tue Jul 18, 2006 2:24 am

they say there is 16,000 lebanese canadians over there. of course i condemn these bombings and have sympathy for the families.

however the redneck in me has to wonder. the lebanese population in candada is roughly 250,000. now does 16,000 of them being on vacation in lebanon sound right?

do they come over here, become canadian citizens, qualify for all kinds of welfare benefits then move back over there? it's quite easy to collect welfare and E.I out of country if you have someone living in canada signing/sending forms for you.

that number just seems really high. something is not on the up n' up.

Post by **Hannibal** » Tue Jul 18, 2006 2:59 am

There was some random US student chick who spoke to some NBC reporter...she said that US gov't officials told her two things:

1) we are working out an evacuation plan, just sit tight
2) if we help you, you'll have to pay for it.

Now, if this only means paying the equivalent of a SHORT airline trip or bus ride (commerical rates), no problem. If it is any more than that, than we are truly cunts of the first order.

Post by **Massive Quasars** » Tue Jul 18, 2006 3:05 am

shadd_ wrote:however the redneck in me has to wonder. the lebanese population in candada is roughly 250,000. now does 16,000 of them being on vacation in lebanon sound right?

do they come over here, become canadian citizens, qualify for all kinds of welfare benefits then move back over there? it's quite easy to collect welfare and E.I out of country if you have someone living in canada signing/sending forms for you.

that number just seems really high. something is not on the up n' up.

I only have personal experience to go on, but I'm not surprised so many travel to Lebanon during the summer. The extended families tend to be huge, and they remain remarkably close after being seperated for years and by thousands of kilometres. Why summer? I gather, in part, so that whole families can travel without having the kids miss school. Again, generalizing from limited personal experience.

Post by **shadd_** » Tue Jul 18, 2006 3:22 am

Massive Quasars wrote:
shadd_ wrote:however the redneck in me has to wonder. the lebanese population in candada is roughly 250,000. now does 16,000 of them being on vacation in lebanon sound right?

do they come over here, become canadian citizens, qualify for all kinds of welfare benefits then move back over there? it's quite easy to collect welfare and E.I out of country if you have someone living in canada signing/sending forms for you.

that number just seems really high. something is not on the up n' up.
I only have personal experience to go on, but I'm not surprised so many travel to Lebanon during the summer. The extended families tend to be huge, and they remain remarkably close after being seperated for years and by thousands of kilometres. Why summer? I gather, in part, so that whole families can travel without having the kids miss school. Again, generalizing from limited personal experience.

that makes sense and youre probably right. it's the old albertan in me trying to come out. i have a hard time trusting people and have no sympathy for those that put themselves in precarious situations then expect others to bail them out. be it white or brown skin.

Post by **shadd_** » Tue Jul 18, 2006 3:29 am

Foreign Affairs Minister Peter MacKay insisted the government is moving quickly to transport up to 50,000 Canadians from Lebanon

http://www.cbc.ca/story/canada/national ... banon.html

holy fuck, now were up to 50,000 canadians in lebanon.

??????

Post by **Massive Quasars** » Tue Jul 18, 2006 3:39 am

That's a bit much, but perhaps that's the uppermost ceiling of what's to be expected.

Post by **shadd_** » Tue Jul 18, 2006 3:44 am

ah well, looks like maybe we'll be able to get most of them out anyways.

it will be a good learning experience for our country. coordinating a massive emergency evac like that cant be easy.

Post by **Massive Quasars** » Tue Jul 18, 2006 3:52 am

A good number of those could be other arab Canadians, or other Canadians. The country isn't (or at least wasn't as of 2 weeks ago) that much of a hellhole that it wouldn't attract tourists, if they had a particular interest in the region.

Post by **HM-PuFFNSTuFF** » Wed Jul 19, 2006 2:28 pm

Tsakali_ wrote:the us is just going to step back and let its jewish friends do whatever they want, considering the fucking us is mostly control by jews anyway...yeah I went there

you and the 'omg the USA is the Puppet of Israel' people need to read this...

http://www.villagevoice.com/news/0420,p ... 582,1.html

The Jesus Landing Pad
Bush White House checked with rapture Christians before latest Israel move
by Rick Perlstein
May 18th, 2004 10:00 AM

It was an e-mail we weren't meant to see. Not for our eyes were the notes that showed White House staffers taking two-hour meetings with Christian fundamentalists, where they passed off bogus social science on gay marriage as if it were holy writ and issued fiery warnings that "the Presidents [sic] Administration and current Government is engaged in cultural, economical, and social struggle on every level"—this to a group whose representative in Israel believed herself to have been attacked by witchcraft unleashed by proximity to a volume of Harry Potter. Most of all, apparently, we're not supposed to know the National Security Council's top Middle East aide consults with apocalyptic Christians eager to ensure American policy on Israel conforms with their sectarian doomsday scenarios.

But now we know.

"Everything that you're discussing is information you're not supposed to have," barked Pentecostal minister Robert G. Upton when asked about the off-the-record briefing his delegation received on March 25. Details of that meeting appear in a confidential memo signed by Upton and obtained by the Voice.

The e-mailed meeting summary reveals NSC Near East and North African Affairs director Elliott Abrams sitting down with the Apostolic Congress and massaging their theological concerns. Claiming to be "the Christian Voice in the Nation's Capital," the members vociferously oppose the idea of a Palestinian state. They fear an Israeli withdrawal from Gaza might enable just that, and they object on the grounds that all of Old Testament Israel belongs to the Jews. Until Israel is intact and Solomon's temple rebuilt, they believe, Christ won't come back to earth.

Abrams attempted to assuage their concerns by stating that "the Gaza Strip had no significant Biblical influence such as Joseph's tomb or Rachel's tomb and therefore is a piece of land that can be sacrificed for the cause of peace."

Three weeks after the confab, President George W. Bush reversed long-standing U.S. policy, endorsing Israeli sovereignty over parts of the West Bank in exchange for Israel's disengagement from the Gaza Strip.

In an interview with the Voice, Upton denied having written the document, though it was sent out from an e-mail account of one of his staffers and bears the organization's seal, which is nearly identical to the Great Seal of the United States. Its idiosyncratic grammar and punctuation tics also closely match those of texts on the Apostolic Congress's website, and Upton verified key details it recounted, including the number of participants in the meeting ("45 ministers including wives") and its conclusion "with a heart-moving send-off of the President in his Presidential helicopter."

Upton refused to confirm further details.

Affiliated with the United Pentecostal Church, the Apostolic Congress is part of an important and disciplined political constituency courted by recent Republican administrations. As a subset of the broader Christian Zionist movement, it has a lengthy history of opposition to any proposal that will not result in what it calls a "one-state solution" in Israel.

The White House's association with the congress, which has just posted a new staffer in Israel who may be running afoul of Israel's strict anti-missionary laws, also raises diplomatic concerns.

The staffer, Kim Hadassah Johnson, wrote in a report obtained by the Voice, "We are establishing the Meet the Need Fund in Israel—'MNFI.' . . . The fund will be an Interest Free Loan Fund that will enable us to loan funds to new believers (others upon application) who need assistance. They will have the opportunity to repay the loan (although it will not be mandatory)." When that language was read to Moshe Fox, minister for public and interreligious affairs at the Israeli Embassy in Washington, he responded, "It sounds against the law which prohibits any kind of money or material [inducement] to make people convert to another religion. That's what it sounds like." (Fox's judgment was e-mailed to Johnson, who did not return a request for comment.)

The Apostolic Congress dates its origins to 1981, when, according to its website, "Brother Stan Wachtstetter was able to open the door to Apostolic Christians into the White House." Apostolics, a sect of Pentecostals, claim legitimacy as the heirs of the original church because they, as the 12 apostles supposedly did, baptize converts in the name of Jesus, not in the name of the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit. Ronald Reagan bore theological affinities with such Christians because of his belief that the world would end in a fiery Armageddon. Reagan himself referenced this belief explicitly a half-dozen times during his presidency.

While the language of apocalyptic Christianity is absent from George W. Bush's speeches, he has proven eager to work with apocalyptics—a point of pride for Upton. "We're in constant contact with the White House," he boasts. "I'm briefed at least once a week via telephone briefings. . . . I was there about two weeks ago . . . At that time we met with the president."

Last spring, after President Bush announced his Road Map plan for peace in the Middle East, the Apostolic Congress co-sponsored an effort with the Jewish group Americans for a Safe Israel that placed billboards in 23 cities with a quotation from Genesis ("Unto thy offspring will I give this land") and the message, "Pray that President Bush Honors God's Covenant with Israel. Call the White House with this message." It then provided the White House phone number and the Apostolic Congress's Web address.

click link to read the rest

Post by **so142001** » Fri Jul 21, 2006 11:51 am

busetibi wrote:aint gonna happen.
Harper see nothing wrong with what Israel is doing.

http://www.canada.com/topics/news/story ... 2c023a7c83

LOL harper looks Jewish:

"It's ok, they are brothers."

Post by **so142001** » Fri Jul 21, 2006 12:00 pm

R00k wrote:What are you talking about? That's an excellent article, and well-sourced. There is a federal lawsuit being filed on the same claims.

I wonder if George Bush's party can be criminally charged for this... I hope they find evidence to kick him out and see that he is put in prison for life.

Post by **busetibi** » Fri Jul 21, 2006 12:42 pm

so142001 wrote:
I wonder if George Bush's party can be criminally charged for this... I hope they find evidence to kick him out and see that he is put in prison for life.

Post by **seremtan** » Fri Jul 21, 2006 2:01 pm

tie me president down, sport
tie me president down
cart him off to the hague, sport
cart him off to the hague

Post by **Captain** » Fri Jul 21, 2006 2:12 pm

so142001 wrote:
R00k wrote:What are you talking about? That's an excellent article, and well-sourced. There is a federal lawsuit being filed on the same claims.
I wonder if George Bush's party can be criminally charged for this... I hope they find evidence to kick him out and see that he is put in prison for life.

And by "they" you're referring to?

Post by **shadd_** » Sat Jul 22, 2006 3:16 pm

canada has a disproportionate number of passport holders in lebanon compared to other countries. what happened last time the shit hit the fan in lebanon is canada let a few hundred thousand lebanese immigrate here. once they got their citizenship and things settled down they all fucked off back to lebanon.

so now all these thousands of lebanese we helped out years ago, instead of staying here and help make canada more productive went back there with no intention of ever setting foot in canada again, want us canadian taxpayers to foot the bill once more to save their ass.

passports of convenience?

now don't get me wrong, i love helping people who need help but people that take advantage of our good will can fuck right off.

Post by **HM-PuFFNSTuFF** » Sat Jul 22, 2006 3:40 pm

shadd_ wrote:canada has a disproportionate number of passport holders in lebanon compared to other countries. what happened last time the shit hit the fan in lebanon is canada let a few hundred thousand lebanese immigrate here. once they got their citizenship and things settled down they all fucked off back to lebanon.

so now all these thousands of lebanese we helped out years ago, instead of staying here and help make canada more productive went back there with no intention of ever setting foot in canada again, want us canadian taxpayers to foot the bill once more to save their ass.

passports of convenience?

now don't get me wrong, i love helping people who need help but people that take advantage of our good will can fuck right off.

and this is true because you say so?

where did you get that garbage?

Post by **Dukester** » Sat Jul 22, 2006 3:54 pm

HM-PuFFNSTuFF wrote: where did you get that garbage?

and this is true because you say so?

Your statement is no more relevant than his.

What if his statement is true, is it still garbage?

Thousands of Mexicans are trying the same thing everyday in the US.

Post by **shadd_** » Sat Jul 22, 2006 4:13 pm

HM-PuFFNSTuFF wrote:
shadd_ wrote:canada has a disproportionate number of passport holders in lebanon compared to other countries. what happened last time the shit hit the fan in lebanon is canada let a few hundred thousand lebanese immigrate here. once they got their citizenship and things settled down they all fucked off back to lebanon.

so now all these thousands of lebanese we helped out years ago, instead of staying here and help make canada more productive went back there with no intention of ever setting foot in canada again, want us canadian taxpayers to foot the bill once more to save their ass.

passports of convenience?

now don't get me wrong, i love helping people who need help but people that take advantage of our good will can fuck right off.
and this is true because you say so?

where did you get that garbage?

i knew something was up. how the do you explain the 50-60,000 out of a possible 250,000 lebanese canadians stuck over there? at first there were only 10-15,000 registered at the canadian embassy in lebanon. all of a sudden the shit hits the fan and you have 30-40,000 registered?

you think those numbers make sense puff? i share many of the same values of you, no question about it. i am canadian after all. someone needs to ask these questions and get the answers.

MQ stated many of them are over there on summer holidays which would explain the 10-15,000 original registered citizens.

how about this proposal? anyone who has not been back in this country the last 2 years should have to pay back monies spent on their evacuation unless you were born on canadian soil.

Post by **HM-PuFFNSTuFF** » Sat Jul 22, 2006 4:41 pm

lol how about you check out the meaning of citizenship.

also you should consider not jumping to wild conclusions based on a super flimsy premise.

as a Canadian i have a right to go to some other country without fear of losing any of my rights because I'm away.

the country is people, if you're a citizen, the country is you. catfeesh?