Its official...USA is a country that proudly tortures people

Post by **HM-PuFFNSTuFF** » Fri Sep 29, 2006 3:48 pm

R00k wrote:I agree that the whole purpose of this bill is to protect Bush and Co. from prosecution. They've been doing this shit for 5 years now, and never needed legislation for it before. The legislation never came up until the Supreme Court ruled that what they were doing was illegal.

However, I disagree that the bill will be killed as soon as the gang leaves office. These kinds of things have a way of hanging around and being abused repeatedly. Remember, once power is gained, it is hardly ever relinquished again volutarily.

exactly.

there's no sunset clause and to claim it'll be killed when they leave is moranic

Post by **Tormentius** » Fri Sep 29, 2006 4:42 pm

I didn't think they would actually get away with it but the sheep caved once again.

Post by **Freakaloin** » Fri Sep 29, 2006 4:57 pm

R00k wrote:
However, I disagree that the bill will be killed as soon as the gang leaves office. These kinds of things have a way of hanging around and being abused repeatedly. Remember, once power is gained, it is hardly ever relinquished again volutarily.

killed like the sedition act of 1918 when the treasonous acts r revealed to the morons...

Post by **HM-PuFFNSTuFF** » Fri Sep 29, 2006 5:33 pm

http://www.alternet.org/blogs/video/#42339

Post by **GONNAFISTYA** » Fri Sep 29, 2006 6:21 pm

Freakaloin wrote:
R00k wrote:
However, I disagree that the bill will be killed as soon as the gang leaves office. These kinds of things have a way of hanging around and being abused repeatedly. Remember, once power is gained, it is hardly ever relinquished again volutarily.
killed like the sedition act of 1918 when the treasonous acts r revealed to the morons...

Just in case you haven't been paying attention, the Bush camp doesn't give a fuck about laws or signed acts of government. They can twist the laws (quickly I might add) to their favor and get on with business. And those in "the party" will work to conceal/dismiss any inference of wrong doing far into the future to save national embarrassment.

FFS man...are you telling me when the Bushies get out the problem will go away? You yourself know what's going on the background to keep the GOP in power. What you're wishing for won't happen until nobody is alive to atone for it....like in 50 - 1000 years.

Post by **hate** » Fri Sep 29, 2006 10:35 pm

torturorrism

Post by **hate** » Fri Sep 29, 2006 10:37 pm

it's in the constituttion

Post by **Massive Quasars** » Fri Sep 29, 2006 10:38 pm

During a December 1st debate in Chicago with Notre Dame professor and international human rights scholar Doug Cassel, John Yoo gave the green light for the scope of torture to legally include sexual torture of infants.

Is there a source to back up this claim? Not that I think it's out of the realm of possibility, but something like that screams for support.

Post by **Massive Quasars** » Fri Sep 29, 2006 10:39 pm

hate wrote:it's in the constituttion

The constitution is a living document when it needs to be, and a static one when it's otherwise convenient.

Post by **hate** » Fri Sep 29, 2006 10:41 pm

Post by **blood.angel** » Sat Sep 30, 2006 12:03 am

I got a chubby on here for thinking how all you dumb yank bastards will be tortured to death within twenty years for the shit you post now.

Post by **Shmee** » Sat Sep 30, 2006 12:05 am

I'm on the edge, but I haven't lost total faith in our system yet. When this hits the supreme court, it will be killed outright by a large majority vote. It is patently unconstitutional.

I'll commence wailing and gnashing of teeth otherwise, but I still believe in the judiciary making the correct decision about maters as fundamentally challenging to the condtitution as this.

This shit may continue to go on, but it will not remain codified law for long.

Post by **hate** » Sat Sep 30, 2006 2:27 am

blood.angel wrote:I got a chubby on here for thinking how all you dumb yank bastards will be tortured to death within twenty years for the shit you post now.

boo

fucking

who

Post by **Wabbit** » Sat Sep 30, 2006 3:12 am

GONNAFISTYA wrote:Like I said in the other thread...it's a slow day and I'm semi-bored waiting for the weekend.

You're lucky water boarding isn't possible over the internet or you'd be soaked. I think it's only fair since we've had to endure your torturous posts for the last 12 years.

Post by **Wabbit** » Sat Sep 30, 2006 3:15 am

blood.angel wrote:I got a chubby on here for thinking how all you dumb yank bastards will be tortured to death within twenty years for the shit you post now.

I'm not a dumb yank bastard. I'm a dumb yank bitch. And as for your alleged chubby...give the wee little lad a pat on the helmet for me.

Post by **R00k** » Sat Sep 30, 2006 3:52 am

Shmee wrote:I'm on the edge, but I haven't lost total faith in our system yet. When this hits the supreme court, it will be killed outright by a large majority vote. It is patently unconstitutional.

I'll commence wailing and gnashing of teeth otherwise, but I still believe in the judiciary making the correct decision about maters as fundamentally challenging to the condtitution as this.

This shit may continue to go on, but it will not remain codified law for long.

Yes, but then what will happen? Will the Justices themselves walk over to the Hill, rip up the bill with their bare hands, and then shackle the President and carry him out on a rail?

Remember, the Executive branch is the one that enforces the law.

Unless someone can actually get these guys in a federal courthouse as defendents, Supreme Court decisions are just more shouts into the wind.

Which brings us back to Congress, and the 2006 elections. And Democrats who, even if given the power, may still continue to be as spineless as they have been for the last 5 years.
But I can hope they won't.

Post by **GONNAFISTYA** » Sat Sep 30, 2006 4:56 pm

It looks like it was a small victory for the opponents of this bill:

Senate Wins Fight To Lower Allowable Amperage Levels On Detainees' Testicles

"Even in times of war, it is counterproductive and wrong to employ certain inhumane interrogation techniques, and using three-digit amperage levels on the testicles of captives constitutes torture," said Sen. John Warner (R-VA), who has also supported reducing the size of attack dogs and the height of nude pyramids.

Post by **GONNAFISTYA** » Sat Sep 30, 2006 4:59 pm

Wabbit wrote: You're lucky water boarding isn't possible over the internet or you'd be soaked. I think it's only fair since we've had to endure your torturous posts for the last 12 years.

Ah quit yer whining. Yer just pissed cause you have no testicles to hang electrodes to.

Post by **gravedigga** » Sun Oct 01, 2006 12:05 am

:icon31:

Post by **+JuggerNaut+** » Sun Oct 01, 2006 1:07 am

blood.angel wrote:I got a chubby on here for thinking how all you dumb yank bastards will be tortured to death within twenty years for the shit you post now.

chubby.