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10 years jail for serving laxative brownies
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d3mol!t!on
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Nightshade
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That's pretty fucking retarded.
I personally don't think school kids should ever be sent to jail or prison, unless they've intentionally committed an act against another person that causes long-lasting or permanent trauma.
If you take a young kid, whose most insidious thought was putting laxatives in someone's food, and send him off to jail to spend time with actual hardened criminals, what are the chances that any sort of rehabilitation will actually take place?
More likely, the kid will only be worsened by the influence of thugs and crooks, and will come out worse than before.
Honestly, in cases like this, I wonder if the best solution isn't to sentence the parents -- not to jail time, but to discipline their kids, and to have representatives of the court be present to verify that it was done.
Being punished, and knowing that their parents are not above the law either, would surely be a humbling experience for the kid.
I don't know, just kicking it around...
I personally don't think school kids should ever be sent to jail or prison, unless they've intentionally committed an act against another person that causes long-lasting or permanent trauma.
If you take a young kid, whose most insidious thought was putting laxatives in someone's food, and send him off to jail to spend time with actual hardened criminals, what are the chances that any sort of rehabilitation will actually take place?
More likely, the kid will only be worsened by the influence of thugs and crooks, and will come out worse than before.
Honestly, in cases like this, I wonder if the best solution isn't to sentence the parents -- not to jail time, but to discipline their kids, and to have representatives of the court be present to verify that it was done.
Being punished, and knowing that their parents are not above the law either, would surely be a humbling experience for the kid.
I don't know, just kicking it around...
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Big Kahuna Burger
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Probably not. He'll probably be sentenced to 100 years probation and some community service, along with thousands of dollars in fines.
So why has he been "charged with felony adulteration resulting in bodily harm, which carries a maximum sentence of 10 years in prison and a $20,000 fine, and felony adulteration not resulting in bodily harm, with a maximum sentence of five years in prison and a $10,000 fine?"
So why has he been "charged with felony adulteration resulting in bodily harm, which carries a maximum sentence of 10 years in prison and a $20,000 fine, and felony adulteration not resulting in bodily harm, with a maximum sentence of five years in prison and a $10,000 fine?"
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Big Kahuna Burger
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He committed those crimes yes, but as a minor i highly doubt the felony charges will stick. If he's a first time offender he won't get anywhere near the maximum sentence. I agree that it's pointless, its just a prank. What a world we live in
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Re: 10 years jail for serving laxative brownies
That's the potential max sentence for the crime...the max potential sentences for ANY crime can sound ludicrous at the time.
On the other side, the truth is he medicated people without their knowledge and with him having absolutely no idea about allergies to meds, interactions, pre-existing conditions people have that could have resulted in big complications, etc.
So in that respect, when you are looking at the general guidelines for max punishment, 10 years wouldn't be that crazy depending on what happened.
Yes, I'm pointing out why there is such a substantial max punishment for that type of activity. His intent wasn't to hurt someone, but there are so many considerations to take into account when giving someone medication - shit, look how many questions docs want to know the answers to before giving meds, etc., to cover themselves legally. So I think the laws need to be in the books for cases where something goes really wrong and need to have substantial potential sentences in those cases too. In this situation, I think this was a dumb idea, but he wasn't out to do anything but make people have to shit a lot. I don't think he should go to jail for this one - well, maybe a week or something to at least help him see that medicating people isn't a prank you should pursue...
another thing - people do this kind of joke all the time i bet.
another thing - people do this kind of joke all the time i bet.
No, the law isn't fucked, because this probably falls under a law about drugging people in general, not about laxatives specifically. It's up to the judge/jury to determine the pentalty warranted by the details of this case keeping in mind the maximum penalties allowed by the law.o'dium wrote:The law is fucked, no matter wherer you go... The kid was obviously goofing around, they should see that...
People should stop and think before they get too worked up about a law being fucked.
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Massive Quasars
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this better not be a joke from those guys in procurement
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Wouldn't he be shocked enough by the consequences of his actions alone? I mean, what use does a jail sentence have? Wouldn't it be enough to just give him a good talking to and show him what the consequences could have been if one of the other students were allergic to it or something?tnf wrote:Yes, I'm pointing out why there is such a substantial max punishment for that type of activity. His intent wasn't to hurt someone, but there are so many considerations to take into account when giving someone medication - shit, look how many questions docs want to know the answers to before giving meds, etc., to cover themselves legally. So I think the laws need to be in the books for cases where something goes really wrong and need to have substantial potential sentences in those cases too. In this situation, I think this was a dumb idea, but he wasn't out to do anything but make people have to shit a lot. I don't think he should go to jail for this one - well, maybe a week or something to at least help him see that medicating people isn't a prank you should pursue...
another thing - people do this kind of joke all the time i bet.
I mean, the kid wasn't out to harm anyone. He's probably already scared shitless about how his prank turned out. He won't ever do that again, jail time or not. Save those jail cells for the real criminals, not for someone who tried to pull a prank.
As for 10 years being the maximum, I get that, but I don't understand why he has to get dragged in front of a judge and a jury to begin with. Let him do a couple of days of community service to begin with, but better yet, explain him about the dangers, explain him why he really shouldn't do that sort of thing. I think that helps a gazillion times better than letting him rot in jail, even if only for a day.
I don't think he should serve jail time, but I do think that a kid
who would drug others does need a reality check and that
check could come in the form of facing a judge in a courtroom
and being let off with some community service and apologies.
I know alot of highschoolers who really don't get the ramifications
of their actions, regardless of whether its playing nasty
pranks or even stealing. The world is their playpen and they
just keep doing it.
Just look at "repeat offenders" - these guys
clearly don't learn the first or second or third time...
who would drug others does need a reality check and that
check could come in the form of facing a judge in a courtroom
and being let off with some community service and apologies.
I know alot of highschoolers who really don't get the ramifications
of their actions, regardless of whether its playing nasty
pranks or even stealing. The world is their playpen and they
just keep doing it.
Just look at "repeat offenders" - these guys
clearly don't learn the first or second or third time...
Eraser wrote:Wouldn't he be shocked enough by the consequences of his actions alone? I mean, what use does a jail sentence have? Wouldn't it be enough to just give him a good talking to and show him what the consequences could have been if one of the other students were allergic to it or something?tnf wrote:Yes, I'm pointing out why there is such a substantial max punishment for that type of activity. His intent wasn't to hurt someone, but there are so many considerations to take into account when giving someone medication - shit, look how many questions docs want to know the answers to before giving meds, etc., to cover themselves legally. So I think the laws need to be in the books for cases where something goes really wrong and need to have substantial potential sentences in those cases too. In this situation, I think this was a dumb idea, but he wasn't out to do anything but make people have to shit a lot. I don't think he should go to jail for this one - well, maybe a week or something to at least help him see that medicating people isn't a prank you should pursue...
another thing - people do this kind of joke all the time i bet.
I mean, the kid wasn't out to harm anyone. He's probably already scared shitless about how his prank turned out. He won't ever do that again, jail time or not. Save those jail cells for the real criminals, not for someone who tried to pull a prank.
As for 10 years being the maximum, I get that, but I don't understand why he has to get dragged in front of a judge and a jury to begin with. Let him do a couple of days of community service to begin with, but better yet, explain him about the dangers, explain him why he really shouldn't do that sort of thing. I think that helps a gazillion times better than letting him rot in jail, even if only for a day.
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