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R00k
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I've played this a few times on my bro's PS2 and it's a blast.

So can some of you guys help a newb out with some questions?


Is GH2 on 360 and PS2, but GH1 is only on PS2? Does either platform offer any advantages over the other (it sounds like it's hard to get wireless guitars for 360 - is that true)?

What's this about custom songs? How customizable are the songs on there (werldhed said you could change songs to use the orig tracks)? How difficult is it to create your own song?

Do you have to hack/mod both the PS2 and 360 to use custom songs on them? If so, how tricky are all the steps you have to go through to get a custom song up and running on your system? I can't imagine myself buying a 360 and voiding the warranty on it to play custom songs, but I probably would for a PS2.

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R00k wrote:I've played this a few times on my bro's PS2 and it's a blast.

So can some of you guys help a newb out with some questions?


Is GH2 on 360 and PS2, but GH1 is only on PS2? Does either platform offer any advantages over the other (it sounds like it's hard to get wireless guitars for 360 - is that true)?

What's this about custom songs? How customizable are the songs on there (werldhed said you could change songs to use the orig tracks)? How difficult is it to create your own song?

Do you have to hack/mod both the PS2 and 360 to use custom songs on them? If so, how tricky are all the steps you have to go through to get a custom song up and running on your system? I can't imagine myself buying a 360 and voiding the warranty on it to play custom songs, but I probably would for a PS2.

:paranoid:
Unless they JUST came out, there are no wireless guitars for 360. And the ps2 ones all sucked anyways.

Yes, you have to "hack/mod" to use custom songs.

If your going to go the custom song route, get the ps2 version. In fact, Just get a guitar or two, and an iso of the game.
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Post by bitWISE »

Is GH2 on 360 and PS2, but GH1 is only on PS2?
Yes

Does either platform offer any advantages over the other (it sounds like it's hard to get wireless guitars for 360 - is that true)?
Xbox version is way better but you can't hack in your own songs yet.

What's this about custom songs?
You can unpack the PS2 ISO onto your PC and inject new songs over the old ones

How customizable are the songs on there (werldhed said you could change songs to use the orig tracks)?
Tools are available to recreate songs exactly like the game featured but most custom songs only have expert note charts and you aren't actually playing the guitar notes. You just hit (or dont hit) the keys while the music plays in the background. Also, you can't rename the songs so you have to remember which songs you overwrite. Most don't have multiplayer support or practice sections.

How difficult is it to create your own song?
Creating your own notecharts is fucking painfully hard. You have to create a guitar tab spaced out with the proper tempo and save it as a midi with the correct BPM. Then you have to paste that midi into a template midi and save it. Then you insert that into the game archive along with an mp3 of the song. Then you have to ensure the song is synced to the notechart. Then you reburn the ISO and play it.

If you download the notechart you just have insert the midi and the mp3 at the proper offset and reburn.

Do you have to hack/mod both the PS2 and 360 to use custom songs on them?
Yes. You either need to be running an HDD loader program or be able to play burned DVDs.

If so, how tricky are all the steps you have to go through to get a custom song up and running on your system?
Not tricky but somewhat annoying and time consuming.
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Damn I was hoping to get a PS2 and mod it, then be able to make custom songs all the time - some old Metallica songs, etc.

Figured I had the chops to do it, so I could make whatever songs we wanted to play, and have everybody over.

It sounds like it would be a monumental pain in the ass to create 5 or 6 new songs to play for a weekend.


That's the thing -- if there was some variety I'd love to get this game, whether I had to buy a PS2 or not. But I can only play Heart Shaped Box and Free Bird so many times, you know? :smirk:

Seems like the devs should have either found a way to make it easy for people to create songs (legally), or should have been willing to pump out expansions/new song packages every few months - or at least pay somebody else to do it.
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R00k wrote:Damn I was hoping to get a PS2 and mod it, then be able to make custom songs all the time - some old Metallica songs, etc.

Figured I had the chops to do it, so I could make whatever songs we wanted to play, and have everybody over.

It sounds like it would be a monumental pain in the ass to create 5 or 6 new songs to play for a weekend.


That's the thing -- if there was some variety I'd love to get this game, whether I had to buy a PS2 or not. But I can only play Heart Shaped Box and Free Bird so many times, you know? :smirk:

Seems like the devs should have either found a way to make it easy for people to create songs (legally), or should have been willing to pump out expansions/new song packages every few months - or at least pay somebody else to do it.
The custom deal is fully legal.

The catch is

1) You cant reuse orig GH or GH2 charts for custom songs
2) You have to OWN the music legally
3) IF you give out your midi files, you can NOT package the MP3s.
4) Obviously giving out your ISO is a no no.



Its not hard to do, its like bitwise said, Time consuming. Even if your just downloading midis from score hero and syncing, sometimes it takes for fucking EVER to get the sync right.
Tools are available to recreate songs exactly like the game featured but most custom songs only have expert note charts and you aren't actually playing the guitar notes. You just hit (or dont hit) the keys while the music plays in the background. Also, you can't rename the songs so you have to remember which songs you overwrite. Most don't have multiplayer support or practice sections.

Sorta incorrect.

If you sync the songs correctly, you play the notes you hear. YES, the song still plays regardless if you fuck up or not, but at a way lower volume to give you the illusion that you arnt playing. If you set your channels up right, its nearly the same as playing normal songs.

The trade off tho, if you set your channels up right, Whammy bar becomes useless because it does something to the entire song, and since it never "stops" when you fuck up, it sticks itself in whammy mode. :(


All in all, its worth it for the fun. Theres dozens and dozens of songs out there currently. Most of the metallica stuff already tabbed is " decent" but for the most part id skip it, or make your own (good luck, big reason there isnt more is because multi temp songs are hard as fuck to tab out.).


Thats another thing. If a song has multiple tempos, IE crazy train. Tabbing them is a complete bitch. Thus most songs like that dont work well, nor do they sync up perfectly from begging to end. In fact, you can sync it seemingly perfect, and at the first tempo change its fucked.

Bleh. Ok done rambling
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Post by andyman »

I must get guitar hero for 360. this friday, it is ON.
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Post by bitWISE »

SOAPboy wrote:
R00k wrote:Damn I was hoping to get a PS2 and mod it, then be able to make custom songs all the time - some old Metallica songs, etc.

Figured I had the chops to do it, so I could make whatever songs we wanted to play, and have everybody over.

It sounds like it would be a monumental pain in the ass to create 5 or 6 new songs to play for a weekend.


That's the thing -- if there was some variety I'd love to get this game, whether I had to buy a PS2 or not. But I can only play Heart Shaped Box and Free Bird so many times, you know? :smirk:

Seems like the devs should have either found a way to make it easy for people to create songs (legally), or should have been willing to pump out expansions/new song packages every few months - or at least pay somebody else to do it.
The custom deal is fully legal.

The catch is

1) You cant reuse orig GH or GH2 charts for custom songs
2) You have to OWN the music legally
3) IF you give out your midi files, you can NOT package the MP3s.
4) Obviously giving out your ISO is a no no.



Its not hard to do, its like bitwise said, Time consuming. Even if your just downloading midis from score hero and syncing, sometimes it takes for fucking EVER to get the sync right.
Tools are available to recreate songs exactly like the game featured but most custom songs only have expert note charts and you aren't actually playing the guitar notes. You just hit (or dont hit) the keys while the music plays in the background. Also, you can't rename the songs so you have to remember which songs you overwrite. Most don't have multiplayer support or practice sections.

Sorta incorrect.

If you sync the songs correctly, you play the notes you hear. YES, the song still plays regardless if you fuck up or not, but at a way lower volume to give you the illusion that you arnt playing. If you set your channels up right, its nearly the same as playing normal songs.

The trade off tho, if you set your channels up right, Whammy bar becomes useless because it does something to the entire song, and since it never "stops" when you fuck up, it sticks itself in whammy mode. :(


All in all, its worth it for the fun. Theres dozens and dozens of songs out there currently. Most of the metallica stuff already tabbed is " decent" but for the most part id skip it, or make your own (good luck, big reason there isnt more is because multi temp songs are hard as fuck to tab out.).


Thats another thing. If a song has multiple tempos, IE crazy train. Tabbing them is a complete bitch. Thus most songs like that dont work well, nor do they sync up perfectly from begging to end. In fact, you can sync it seemingly perfect, and at the first tempo change its fucked.

Bleh. Ok done rambling
Well I just meant you wont have the seperate guitar tracks for the song so the entire song will have to be the guitar track.

I tried making a notechart for Power Trip by Chimaira and I almost completed one for Bullshit by MSI but I got bored with it.
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So if you wanted it to play like the game does (i.e. missing notes), then you'd pretty much have to record the whole song yourself, playing all the instruments?

Or would you even be able to do it then?

I'd hate to go through the trouble of trying to make one of these custom songs, and it turn out to be a half-assed sounding reproduction of what the game is like for the rest of the songs. Know what I mean?

I've used timed tab software before that plays your notes at the tempo you set, and this sounds similar to those. But they're all midi. I dunno, I guess I was hoping for too much from the game. :)
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R00k wrote:So if you wanted it to play like the game does (i.e. missing notes), then you'd pretty much have to record the whole song yourself, playing all the instruments?

Or would you even be able to do it then?

I'd hate to go through the trouble of trying to make one of these custom songs, and it turn out to be a half-assed sounding reproduction of what the game is like for the rest of the songs. Know what I mean?

I've used timed tab software before that plays your notes at the tempo you set, and this sounds similar to those. But they're all midi. I dunno, I guess I was hoping for too much from the game. :)
Nah its not as bad as you think really.
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Post by R00k »

Where can I find the tools I need to try it out?
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Post by SOAPboy »

R00k wrote:Where can I find the tools I need to try it out?
http://www.scorehero.com/forum/index.php
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Post by R00k »

Maybe I'll tinker around with it a bit later this week - thanks. :icon14:
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R00k wrote:Maybe I'll tinker around with it a bit later this week - thanks. :icon14:
np
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Post by werldhed »

meh... Soap and Bit already said most of this, but...

R00k, if you want to give it a try, I'd suggest using some note charts other people have made (go to scorehero.com, like Soap mentioned) and see if you like the way it plays. Then you can decide if you want to make some yourself. Just be forewarned: many of the charts people have made aren't very good.

For the most part, if you're decent enough to play on Hard or Expert, you can play the songs without worrying about missing notes, so it doesn't matter if the music doesn't cut out when you mess up. Yes, some of the feeling of playing the song yourself is lost, but it's worth it, imo.

Of course, you could just fill one disc with custom songs to play when you get bored, and keep all the originals on the GH disc.

Also, editing and rebuilding the game can take sometime, so make sure you have a few hours to dedicate to it when you get started.
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Post by sLater »

bitWISE wrote:
sLater wrote:which songs do you think they covered the worst?

i was disappointed with killing in the name and beast in the harlot. totally butchered the vocals on those two.
You and MKJ are far to picky. I think almost all the songs in the game are good covers and I don't even notice the vocals because I'm paying too much attention to the guitar tracks. I actually turn the band and crowd level down a notch so that the guitars really ring out.

Now, if you want to hear a REALLY fucked up song play Laid to Rest. I can't find a sample of the song online but check out http://www.purevolume.com/lambofgod and play The Faded Line (its from the same album and has the same sound).
well, i'm not sure picking out 2 songs out of the 50 or so i played is being too picky. in all honestly, zack de la rocha's voice is pretty hard to duplicate/cover. the guy from avenged sevenfold can belt it out, so i'm not surprised the vocals were as bad as they were. it's just that those were two of the songs i was really looking forward to, and it doesn't seem as fun to play when the song just feels 'off' because of the vocals.

about lamb of god...man, i just can't get into those guys. i'll have to check out that link tho.

if anyone hasn't heard 'march of death' by zack de la rocha and dj shadow, give it a roll

http://www.marchofdeath.com
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Post by +JuggerNaut+ »

awesome, thanks :icon14:
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Post by MKJ »

custom songs is all fun n stuff, but youre not really playing them.
i mean, the music will play whether you make a mistake or not. that way its just not as satisfying to pull off a solo IMO
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MKJ wrote:custom songs is all fun n stuff, but youre not really playing them.
i mean, the music will play whether you make a mistake or not. that way its just not as satisfying to pull off a solo IMO
Again.

If you set them up properly, and are playing songs that have GOOD NOTE CHARTS. then its very similar to playing a normal song.

Problem is, alot of charts are shit.
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im not talking about shit tabbing, im talking about the gameplay.
i kinda get immersed in the game so when i miss a note, not only does it break my chain it also breaks the song.
a custom song doesnt do that

its like playing on easy mode. you hear thew music and youre pressing the buttons but they dont feel related. not as related, anyway
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MKJ wrote:im not talking about shit tabbing, im talking about the gameplay.
i kinda get immersed in the game so when i miss a note, not only does it break my chain it also breaks the song.
a custom song doesnt do that

its like playing on easy mode. you hear thew music and youre pressing the buttons but they dont feel related. not as related, anyway
Yar. i know exactly what your saying.

If you SET UP your songs right in Ghex. Then you get more of that same effect.
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aw guess that makes sense :)
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They just released the first download pack for GH2 on Live, and I have to say... Fuck them.

I wouldn't mind paying a few points, ya know, thats normal. But 500 points for THREE songs.

Pack 1: "Bark at the Moon," "Hey You," "Ace of Spades"
Pack 2: "Killer Queen," "Take it Off," "Frankenstein"
Pack 3: "Higher Ground," "Infected," "Stellar"

You cant just pick your song, either. Thats 1500 points for all three packs. Thats $100 for the entire GH1 song set (£70) if you want them all.

Thats fuckin stupid. No guitar, no manual, no disk, no box, and £20 more expensive...

What a jip! I thought downloadable content was cheaper than sticking it on a disk, yet here its more expensive...

If MS dont change this money grabbing pricing shite pretty soon Live is gonna go down the toilet...
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i bet it won't go down the toilet. their princing is based on amount of downloads per day, which is high.
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Doombrain wrote:i bet it won't go down the toilet. their princing is based on amount of downloads per day, which is high.
Well, if we figure 2100 points is worth £17.50, lets just say for the sake of me not being arsed to figure it out exactly, 2000 points for £18, you are getting 3 songs here for £4.50, with no choice over individual songs. So thats £1.50ish per song. Now while thats the same price you pay on iTunes (abouts, dunno, don't use it), you have to remember that:

A) These songs are not actual SONGS.
B) They can only be played it one place.
C) They can only be played using GH2, so you cant burn them, copy them, listen to them at will etc.

It just seems a hell of a lot of money for music that you will probably only use a few times anyway? Maybe if it was 500 points for the entire pack that would be ok...

Its just MS being dicks all of a sudden, its almost as if the decent guys running xbox got took over by the Windows guys recently. Fist MS want to charge us for downloadable maps that the dev wants to give away free, now this...

What next, game patches that cost money? Pay for movie trailers? Horse armor?
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o'dium wrote:They just released the first download pack for GH2 on Live, and I have to say... Fuck them.

I wouldn't mind paying a few points, ya know, thats normal. But 500 points for THREE songs.

Pack 1: "Bark at the Moon," "Hey You," "Ace of Spades"
Pack 2: "Killer Queen," "Take it Off," "Frankenstein"
Pack 3: "Higher Ground," "Infected," "Stellar"

You cant just pick your song, either. Thats 1500 points for all three packs. Thats $100 for the entire GH1 song set (£70) if you want them all.

Thats fuckin stupid. No guitar, no manual, no disk, no box, and £20 more expensive...

What a jip! I thought downloadable content was cheaper than sticking it on a disk, yet here its more expensive...

If MS dont change this money grabbing pricing shite pretty soon Live is gonna go down the toilet...
Yes. Live will go down the toilet due to one game.
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