School shooting #235335

Post by **HM-PuFFNSTuFF** » Thu Apr 19, 2007 5:50 pm

did you read his plays or pay attention to his ramblings?

edit: he wrote a play about a step father who diddled his step son as well he made some comments about teachers fiddling with their students

Post by **[xeno]Julios** » Thu Apr 19, 2007 5:51 pm

R00k wrote:I think being able to kill that many people in that particular environment isn't nearly as impressive as some are thinking.

Just imagine. You have a vest full of clips, let's say 15 rounds per clip.

You chain the doors of the building shut, and it's during class so there's no one in the halls.

You walk from room to room, just opening the door, barely walking in, and quickly unloading your clip into a room full of students who are still sitting in their chairs. After the first couple of shots, they're up, but you still have a mass of people to fire straight into.

It's like shooting ducks in a barrel. They have nowhere to go, and you've caught them completely by surprise.

I'm guessing he had about 10 or 12 different classrooms he could do this to in one building.

I don't think it's hard to believe that he killed 3.2 people in each room.

All I'm saying is that I don't think what this guy did is impressive in any way. By the time he went to the second building, he already knew he was a dead man. He didn't have anything to lose, and he cowardly shot a bunch of unarmed and captive students, probably playing out some kind of psychotic fantasy in his mind.

I hear what you're saying, and I've always wondered at the low body counts traditionally associated with lone gunmen, but it seems reality is a bit more complex.

The way you describe it is probably close to what happened, but you gotta understand that things don't usually pan out that way.

It's not easy to actually kill someone unless you shoot them multiple times in vital areas, and doing it alone in a crowded environment is not that easy. It seems that they were literally just sitting in their seats in horror as he took his time picking them off.

But it just boggles my mind that the other classes didn't hear this and take appropriate counter measures.

Guarding the door for an ambush would be way better than trying to hold the door closed against a single armed opponent.

Did chaining the exit really make a difference, if the students weren't gonna leave their seats anyway?

And then there's still the question of whether this guy broke a record for most number of kills...

Post by **Foo** » Thu Apr 19, 2007 5:51 pm

HM-PuFFNSTuFF wrote:did you read his plays or pay attention to his ramblings?

yes. Do you know lots of molested people?

Post by **HM-PuFFNSTuFF** » Thu Apr 19, 2007 5:53 pm

Foo wrote:
HM-PuFFNSTuFF wrote:did you read his plays or pay attention to his ramblings?
yes. Do you know lots of molested people?

see my edit above.

i think we all know lots of molested people as about a third of all women have been afaik

Post by **SoM** » Thu Apr 19, 2007 5:55 pm

puff molested me

Post by **Foo** » Thu Apr 19, 2007 5:58 pm

HM-PuFFNSTuFF wrote:i think we all know lots of molested people as about a third of all women have been afaik

Do they also commit school shootings?

Post by **Foo** » Thu Apr 19, 2007 5:58 pm

SoM wrote:puff molested me

Right now he appears to be molesting common sense with baseless nonsense.

Post by **HM-PuFFNSTuFF** » Thu Apr 19, 2007 6:00 pm

Foo wrote:
HM-PuFFNSTuFF wrote:i think we all know lots of molested people as about a third of all women have been afaik
Do they also commit school shootings?

Not as far as I know but this guy does seem to come back to this theme a lot in his rantings so perhaps in this case it was a factor. I'll put you down as a 'no' shall I?

Post by **Foo** » Thu Apr 19, 2007 6:02 pm

I'm definitely skeptical.

Post by **Nightshade** » Thu Apr 19, 2007 6:39 pm

HM-PuFFNSTuFF wrote:If it had been a bomb then my post about previously banned, highly effective assault weapons wouldn't have been relevant.

Yes, weapons that have been used in ridiculously small percentages of crimes, yet received hugely disproportionate legislative efforts. You know that "ban" didn't do anything but make it illegal to make/purchase new "assault weapons", right?

Post by **HM-PuFFNSTuFF** » Thu Apr 19, 2007 6:42 pm

According to the statistics I posted, the ban did do something more.

Post by **Massive Quasars** » Thu Apr 19, 2007 7:00 pm

I think they should have allowed guns on campus if they're going to have such liberal gun laws in that state.

What's done is done though, a lesson learned perhaps.

Post by **Massive Quasars** » Thu Apr 19, 2007 7:02 pm

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070419/ap_ ... ooting_284

Once, in English class, the teacher had the students read aloud, and when it was Cho's turn, he just looked down in silence, Davids recalled. Finally, after the teacher threatened him with an F for participation, Cho started to read in a strange, deep voice that sounded "like he had something in his mouth," Davids said.

"As soon as he started reading, the whole class started laughing and pointing and saying, `Go back to China,'" Davids said.

Post by **duffman91** » Thu Apr 19, 2007 7:05 pm

I've always been surprised at how some of these troubled kids feel that they're completely on their own when it comes to being made fun of and isolated.

Everyone goes through a stage when they're an outcast. The whole "growing up" part of life is hard on the emotions for everyone.

This recent character seems to me like the kind of loser in a University that is beyond anyone's reach. The kind of guy that purposely makes himself a loner.

Post by **Massive Quasars** » Thu Apr 19, 2007 7:08 pm

duffman91 wrote:This recent character seems to me like the kind of loser in a University that is beyond anyone's reach. The kind of guy that purposely makes himself a loner.

Let's not cast a wide net now, some people have a much harder time than others.

Post by **duffman91** » Thu Apr 19, 2007 7:10 pm

Massive Quasars wrote:
duffman91 wrote:This recent character seems to me like the kind of loser in a University that is beyond anyone's reach. The kind of guy that purposely makes himself a loner.
Let's not cast a wide net now, some people have a much harder time than others.

The attitude in American universities are very laid back and relaxed. It's impossible not to meet new people.

I'm mainly going by my observations as a previous University employee/student and the roommate's reports of him avoiding social interactions, even when invited.

Post by **Massive Quasars** » Thu Apr 19, 2007 7:17 pm

duffman, the same atmosphere that can be so inclusive, friendly, and generally conducive to social interactions may still exclude the socially inept and withdrawn. Socialization isn't easy and natural for everyone.

Post by **Nightshade** » Thu Apr 19, 2007 7:24 pm

HM-PuFFNSTuFF wrote:According to the statistics I posted, the ban did do something more.

A minute decrease, it's barely even statistically significant. Don't get me wrong, less gun crime is great, but that "ban" was a bit goofy. The reference to what the VT wacko used was a Glock 9, which only fell under that "ban" because it had a large magazine capacity.
And I still say my point is valid, the reasons why people want to kill each other are far more important than the means by which they accomplish it.

Post by **R00k** » Thu Apr 19, 2007 7:29 pm

NS is right, the only difference that ban would have made on the situation was that he would have been limited to a 10-round clip.

Post by **HM-PuFFNSTuFF** » Thu Apr 19, 2007 7:35 pm

Nightshade wrote:
HM-PuFFNSTuFF wrote:According to the statistics I posted, the ban did do something more.
A minute decrease, it's barely even statistically significant. Don't get me wrong, less gun crime is great, but that "ban" was a bit goofy. The reference to what the VT wacko used was a Glock 9, which only fell under that "ban" because it had a large magazine capacity.
And I still say my point is valid, the reasons why people want to kill each other are far more important than the means by which they accomplish it.

How fair is it of you to characterize a drop of 66% as minute?

Post by **R00k** » Thu Apr 19, 2007 7:41 pm

Now you're turning into a discussion on the merits of the ban itself.

Come on, we've done that one before.

Post by **Nightshade** » Thu Apr 19, 2007 7:42 pm

Oh for fuck's sake Puff, don't try that shit on me. A drop from 4.8% to 1.6% of overall gun crime involving "assault rifles" is statistically insignificant. Yes, that's a 66% decrease, but it's a decrease in a very small number.

Post by **HM-PuFFNSTuFF** » Thu Apr 19, 2007 7:43 pm

I agree that we should stop talking about this immediately.

Post by **HM-PuFFNSTuFF** » Thu Apr 19, 2007 7:49 pm

Nightshade wrote:Oh for fuck's sake Puff, don't try that shit on me. A drop from 4.8% to 1.6% of overall gun crime involving "assault rifles" is statistically insignificant. Yes, that's a 66% decrease, but it's a decrease in a very small number.

lol who's trying shit on who?

The ban was very effective on the weapons it targeted. How is the ban supposed to effect a huge decrease in all gun crime if the ban only targets some guns?

Post by **+JuggerNaut+** » Thu Apr 19, 2007 7:56 pm

Foo wrote:
People make me laugh. This guy was bullied, being laughed at, pointed at, etc. People didn't give one fuck then. They didn't care that they made him suffer, that his self-esteem took a hit every time they mocked him.
"Who cares? He's here for our entertainment! He's the Korean guy to make fun of!"

But now that he gets back at them, "he's the bad guy!" People cry over their lost ones, but WOULD HAVE THEY CRIED if he committed suicide because of what society did to him? PEOPLE KNOW that when they bully someone it has a powerful, dangerous effect on the bullied. Yet, they don't care. Their entertainment comes first, of course.

Well guess what, the roles are now switched. Now it's their turn to fucking suffer. FUCK THE MEDIA, he IS the true victim. Stop making him look like a monster! This guy earned the right to such actions. I stand by his side 100% and pray his soul rest in peace

bwahahahaha