School shooting #235335

Post by **xer0s** » Thu Apr 19, 2007 8:00 pm

Well, I agree that there were basically no tactics involved. The numbers really aren't that impressive to me. If this small classroom building is set up anything like a small classroom building at my University, then the numbers could have easily been higher. Reports show that he only shot up 4 classrooms. I'd guess there'd be 30 students per classroom. You go in there, unload both guns (thats 20+ rounds), walk out, reload (which would take no longer than 5 seconds per gun), walk back in and shoot some more. By that time, everyone is in shock and probably was thinking that you was leaving for good and not just going out in the hall to reload. When you're done with that room, you move on to the next one.

Post by **Foo** » Thu Apr 19, 2007 8:03 pm

lol tactics, fucking armchair warriors.

Post by **xer0s** » Thu Apr 19, 2007 8:09 pm

Post by **Nightshade** » Thu Apr 19, 2007 8:24 pm

HM-PuFFNSTuFF wrote:
Nightshade wrote:Oh for fuck's sake Puff, don't try that shit on me. A drop from 4.8% to 1.6% of overall gun crime involving "assault rifles" is statistically insignificant. Yes, that's a 66% decrease, but it's a decrease in a very small number.
lol who's trying shit on who?

The ban was very effective on the weapons it targeted. How is the ban supposed to effect a huge decrease in all gun crime if the ban only targets some guns?

No one said shit about the ban effecting a huge decrease in all gun crime. And how is a statistically insignificant drop "very effective"? The ban was a stupid, knee-jerk political reaction.

Post by **mjrpes** » Thu Apr 19, 2007 8:33 pm

Once, in English class, the teacher had the students read aloud, and when it was Cho's turn, he just looked down in silence, Davids recalled. Finally, after the teacher threatened him with an F for participation, Cho started to read in a strange, deep voice that sounded "like he had something in his mouth," Davids said.

"As soon as he started reading, the whole class started laughing and pointing and saying, `Go back to China,'" Davids said.

damn rich kids, with their trust finds, drinking cognac and vodka.

Post by **dzjepp** » Thu Apr 19, 2007 9:38 pm

xer0s wrote:Well, I agree that there were basically no tactics involved. The numbers really aren't that impressive to me. If this small classroom building is set up anything like a small classroom building at my University, then the numbers could have easily been higher. Reports show that he only shot up 4 classrooms. I'd guess there'd be 30 students per classroom. You go in there, unload both guns (thats 20+ rounds), walk out, reload (which would take no longer than 5 seconds per gun), walk back in and shoot some more. By that time, everyone is in shock and probably was thinking that you was leaving for good and not just going out in the hall to reload. When you're done with that room, you move on to the next one.

rofl, fucking dumb redneck

Post by **+JuggerNaut+** » Thu Apr 19, 2007 9:42 pm

dzjepp wrote:
xer0s wrote:Well, I agree that there were basically no tactics involved. The numbers really aren't that impressive to me. If this small classroom building is set up anything like a small classroom building at my University, then the numbers could have easily been higher. Reports show that he only shot up 4 classrooms. I'd guess there'd be 30 students per classroom. You go in there, unload both guns (thats 20+ rounds), walk out, reload (which would take no longer than 5 seconds per gun), walk back in and shoot some more. By that time, everyone is in shock and probably was thinking that you was leaving for good and not just going out in the hall to reload. When you're done with that room, you move on to the next one.
rofl, fucking dumb redneck

BUT IT WORKS IN-GAME

Post by **CaseDogg** » Thu Apr 19, 2007 9:49 pm

that school gone be haunted fa sho!

Post by **Chupacabra** » Thu Apr 19, 2007 10:23 pm

mjrpes wrote:
Once, in English class, the teacher had the students read aloud, and when it was Cho's turn, he just looked down in silence, Davids recalled. Finally, after the teacher threatened him with an F for participation, Cho started to read in a strange, deep voice that sounded "like he had something in his mouth," Davids said.

"As soon as he started reading, the whole class started laughing and pointing and saying, `Go back to China,'" Davids said.
damn rich kids, with their trust finds, drinking cognac and vodka.

lol

Post by **tnf** » Thu Apr 19, 2007 11:08 pm

it should be noted that by tactics we aren't necessarily speaking of him dropping in on a zipline or rappelling down the side of the building and coming in through the window a la Sam Fisher.

He used a tactic - he chained the doors shut. This wasn't just a completely random shooting on a spur of the moment deal.

Everyone makes it sound like the mention of tactics implies he came in like a special forces op.

Post by **S@M** » Thu Apr 19, 2007 11:29 pm

R00k wrote:I think being able to kill that many people in that particular environment isn't nearly as impressive as some are thinking.

Just imagine. You have a vest full of clips, let's say 15 rounds per clip.

You chain the doors of the building shut, and it's during class so there's no one in the halls.

You walk from room to room, just opening the door, barely walking in, and quickly unloading your clip into a room full of students who are still sitting in their chairs. After the first couple of shots, they're up, but you still have a mass of people to fire straight into.

It's like shooting ducks in a barrel. They have nowhere to go, and you've caught them completely by surprise.

I'm guessing he had about 10 or 12 different classrooms he could do this to in one building.

I don't think it's hard to believe that he killed 3.2 people in each room.

All I'm saying is that I don't think what this guy did is impressive in any way. By the time he went to the second building, he already knew he was a dead man. He didn't have anything to lose, and he cowardly shot a bunch of unarmed and captive students, probably playing out some kind of psychotic fantasy in his mind.

If his XP was low, the recoil might have ruined his aim, sounds like he was a noob.

Post by **S@M** » Thu Apr 19, 2007 11:31 pm

Massive Quasars wrote: the same atmosphere that can be so inclusive, friendly, and generally conducive to social interactions may still exclude the socially inept and withdrawn. Socialization isn't easy and natural for everyone.

Massive Quasars wrote: Let's not cast a wide net now, some people have a much harder time than others.

Deep

Post by **Chupacabra** » Thu Apr 19, 2007 11:52 pm

Foo wrote:lol tactics, fucking armchair warriors.

Post by **Hannibal** » Thu Apr 19, 2007 11:53 pm

Massive Quasars wrote:duffman, the same atmosphere that can be so inclusive, friendly, and generally conducive to social interactions may still exclude the socially inept and withdrawn. Socialization isn't easy and natural for everyone.

Frankly I think the damage was done before he ever entered college. Deep seeded shit, encrusted early, takin it to

a

whole

nutha

level.

Post by **R00k** » Thu Apr 19, 2007 11:54 pm

One of the stories in the news said his father left S. Korea because it was hard to live there with his reputation.

Have to wonder what that means. =\

Post by **tnf** » Fri Apr 20, 2007 12:24 am

I wonder if he had health and armor packs set up beforehand.

Post by **Massive Quasars** » Fri Apr 20, 2007 2:24 am

S@M wrote:
Massive Quasars wrote: the same atmosphere that can be so inclusive, friendly, and generally conducive to social interactions may still exclude the socially inept and withdrawn. Socialization isn't easy and natural for everyone.

Massive Quasars wrote: Let's not cast a wide net now, some people have a much harder time than others.
Deep

Sorry, was this sarcastic or genuine?

Post by **S@M** » Fri Apr 20, 2007 2:36 am

my bad MQ,
it was absolutely genuine. I do appreciate your views as they are often well considered and come from angles I would not otherwise have thought of.

Post by **feedback** » Fri Apr 20, 2007 2:39 am

+JuggerNaut+ wrote:
Foo wrote:
People make me laugh. This guy was bullied, being laughed at, pointed at, etc. People didn't give one fuck then. They didn't care that they made him suffer, that his self-esteem took a hit every time they mocked him.
"Who cares? He's here for our entertainment! He's the Korean guy to make fun of!"

But now that he gets back at them, "he's the bad guy!" People cry over their lost ones, but WOULD HAVE THEY CRIED if he committed suicide because of what society did to him? PEOPLE KNOW that when they bully someone it has a powerful, dangerous effect on the bullied. Yet, they don't care. Their entertainment comes first, of course.

Well guess what, the roles are now switched. Now it's their turn to fucking suffer. FUCK THE MEDIA, he IS the true victim. Stop making him look like a monster! This guy earned the right to such actions. I stand by his side 100% and pray his soul rest in peace
bwahahahaha

lol fucking loser, if I knew him IRL I'd bully him until he couldn't take it anymore.

Post by **Massive Quasars** » Fri Apr 20, 2007 2:47 am

S@M wrote:my bad MQ,
it was absolutely genuine. I do appreciate your views as they are often well considered and come from angles I would not otherwise have thought of.

Thanks, sometimes sarcasm is lost on me that's why I ask.

Post by **mjrpes** » Fri Apr 20, 2007 3:04 am

was reading an article by a psychiatrist saying the videos should be taken off the air:

http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/VATech/story? ... 168&page=1

"I think that's very important for the viewing audience to understand. This is not him.These videos do not help us understand him. They distort him. He was meek. He was quiet. This is a PR tape of him trying to turn himself into a Quentin Tarantino character," Welner said. "This is precisely why this should not be released. Parents, you should cut the pictures out of the newspaper. Do not let your children see it. Take them out of the room when these videos are shown. Because he's paranoid and his agenda of blaming the rest of the world is unedited."

"There's nothing to learn from this except giving it validation. If this rambling showed up in an emergency room, my colleagues and I would listen carefully and, when we reflected that it was delusional, would go see the next patient and start the medication," he said. "This makes it sound like he was tormented. He wasn't."

i agree with this.

Post by **Captain** » Fri Apr 20, 2007 3:09 am

So it seems like the media is turning him into a martyr yet calling him a villain. Interesting.

Post by **[xeno]Julios** » Fri Apr 20, 2007 3:32 am

i'm really hoping the war nerd from exile.ru is gonna give an analysis next issue.

Post by **Chupacabra** » Fri Apr 20, 2007 3:46 am

mjrpes wrote:was reading an article by a psychiatrist saying the videos should be taken off the air:

http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/VATech/story? ... 168&page=1

"I think that's very important for the viewing audience to understand. This is not him.These videos do not help us understand him. They distort him. He was meek. He was quiet. This is a PR tape of him trying to turn himself into a Quentin Tarantino character," Welner said. "This is precisely why this should not be released. Parents, you should cut the pictures out of the newspaper. Do not let your children see it. Take them out of the room when these videos are shown. Because he's paranoid and his agenda of blaming the rest of the world is unedited."

"There's nothing to learn from this except giving it validation. If this rambling showed up in an emergency room, my colleagues and I would listen carefully and, when we reflected that it was delusional, would go see the next patient and start the medication," he said. "This makes it sound like he was tormented. He wasn't."
i agree with this.

news is news is news?

Post by **S@M** » Fri Apr 20, 2007 3:59 am

Captain Mazda wrote:So it seems like the media is turning him into a martyr yet calling him a villain. Interesting.

aka David Hicks in Aust