Give it a few weeks while it builds a library of shit you commonly do.Turbine wrote:Well I just got a new computer 2gigs ram AMD 64 bit x2 core and runs alright but it seems slow.
The way Vista looks to me, is like microsoft decided that in order to look new and and innovative, they took all things familiar with any Windows edition and decided to mix it all up, change the way you do a most basic task. All your natural Windows instincts are riped apart in Vista.
So I guess it seems slow because you literary have to stop and think about what you want to do and how to do it.
whats with vista
Well what i know of Vista is this.
Driver and software support is horrible. Now thats expected cause its new, but what is weird is all the people that make the drivers and software are moving on such a slow development cycle that its almost as if its a legacy operating system.
The memory footprint in Vista is over 2x that of winXP. I havent tried with all the visuals disabled, but even if it takes it back down to winXP resource usage levels, then you look like winXP, which is really win2k, which is really win98/win95, so thats a pretty old and if you ask me clunky UI and with all the other problems vista currently has, the question becomes ... why upgrade? Ill never understand people that make software slower and more bloated as it develops, i woulld thing the wise thing to do would be to streamline and optimize. But im not a software dev, so whatev.
Some people feel that Vista is a good operating system, i have had people claim they read documents and whatever that really make Vista look awesome, but when i ask them for details no one can provide or they change the subject. So im left unconvinced.
Soldier we all make our own choices and i suggest doing a little searching on your on, but as for me, im not touching Vista. I believe i read a article some where that said MS projected the next operating system to be in 2 years and support for Vista to end in 5. So im just gonna stick with winXP in instances that i use windows. Actually i was just thinking of going back to win98se. I mean i use winXP on my dekstop, but i use my macbook mostly now. I only even have windows on my mac for 1 program that i have to have for work to inferfact with the database. So for there win98se will take up level less resources in emulation. But yea, for my windows gaming rig, winXP.
Driver and software support is horrible. Now thats expected cause its new, but what is weird is all the people that make the drivers and software are moving on such a slow development cycle that its almost as if its a legacy operating system.
The memory footprint in Vista is over 2x that of winXP. I havent tried with all the visuals disabled, but even if it takes it back down to winXP resource usage levels, then you look like winXP, which is really win2k, which is really win98/win95, so thats a pretty old and if you ask me clunky UI and with all the other problems vista currently has, the question becomes ... why upgrade? Ill never understand people that make software slower and more bloated as it develops, i woulld thing the wise thing to do would be to streamline and optimize. But im not a software dev, so whatev.
Some people feel that Vista is a good operating system, i have had people claim they read documents and whatever that really make Vista look awesome, but when i ask them for details no one can provide or they change the subject. So im left unconvinced.
Soldier we all make our own choices and i suggest doing a little searching on your on, but as for me, im not touching Vista. I believe i read a article some where that said MS projected the next operating system to be in 2 years and support for Vista to end in 5. So im just gonna stick with winXP in instances that i use windows. Actually i was just thinking of going back to win98se. I mean i use winXP on my dekstop, but i use my macbook mostly now. I only even have windows on my mac for 1 program that i have to have for work to inferfact with the database. So for there win98se will take up level less resources in emulation. But yea, for my windows gaming rig, winXP.
Your not forced to upgrade OS X to my knowledge. Software that works on tiger will run on leopard, vise versa and so on. There is nothing in any recent version of OS X that forces you to upgrade to run it.plained wrote:why upgrade?
no choice, just like the "upgrade" to osx
imo
At least that im aware of. Prove me wrong if you can cause id like to know if so.
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Lieutenant Dan
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Its pointless cause much like many areas in life people have closed minds and once they believe something they refuse to listen to anything that could possibly prove them wrong, so instead when they are interacted with they beat on their chests and throw feces. You dont have debates with people like that, you have shouting matches.Grudge wrote:what?Iccy wrote:Sure you can.
But im not going to get into cause its a pointless argument to engage in with enough people here. We might as well debate religion.
pointless because you don't understand how it works?
It was fun and cute 10 years ago, but that kinda debating is wearing thin these days.
Load up vista if ya like, otherwise dont. I think that about sums up my opinion. Movin on.
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Tormentius
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You could just read up on those features for yourself instead of expecting others to spell it out for you. If you work in the IT field for more than a month or so at a time then you'd better be reading up constantly on what's new or you'll fall by the wayside, become unemployed and...oh, wait...Iccy wrote:
Some people feel that Vista is a good operating system, i have had people claim they read documents and whatever that really make Vista look awesome, but when i ask them for details no one can provide or they change the subject. So im left unconvinced.
There will be an "R2" type of release in two years and a major release every four. That's MS' well-publicized committment to their Software Assurance customers to give more value to the bi-annual subscriptions so that corporations keep signing up. The "R2-type" releases are supposedly going to be a bunch of integrated updates as well as some minor new features (see Server 2003 R2 for examples). Vista's support isn't running out anytime soon and Microsoft is planning on continuing to put out OS versions so waiting because something new might come out 4 years from now seems pretty pointless.Iccy wrote: MS projected the next operating system to be in 2 years and support for Vista to end in 5.
Wow. Words fail me on this one.Iccy wrote:
Actually i was just thinking of going back to win98se.
See what i mean Grudge. Torm not only is throwing feces, but he is throwing it for no reason. He doesnt understand a lot of what i mean, like my win98se comment. If he just asked me about it he would know, but his own opinion rules all and he expects everyone else to research the points he claims to be right. Burden of proof is on the person claiming to be right, im not about to sift through hours of data to make sure he is right or wrong, thats his job. I got a hell of a lot better things to do then fact check for him.
Anyway Torm, dont bother. Since our last run in i gave up on you. Im sure your smart, you got knowledge and i dont claim to be super IT man, but your extremely thick headed and mean and all you care about is crushing people who differ from you, not actually talking to them and sharing knowledge and learning. I mean whats with the unemployment thing ?
Call me a hippy, but im over that kinda mentality, its very bushy to not listen and just demand everyone believe you without showing proof. WMD's anyone? I mean if a lawyer came into court and said his client is innocent and the judge needed to research it on his own... come on. So when i see green i just dont read it anymore buddy, not beyond the first insult anyway. Sorry man.
Our drama ends here.
later
Anyway Torm, dont bother. Since our last run in i gave up on you. Im sure your smart, you got knowledge and i dont claim to be super IT man, but your extremely thick headed and mean and all you care about is crushing people who differ from you, not actually talking to them and sharing knowledge and learning. I mean whats with the unemployment thing ?
Call me a hippy, but im over that kinda mentality, its very bushy to not listen and just demand everyone believe you without showing proof. WMD's anyone? I mean if a lawyer came into court and said his client is innocent and the judge needed to research it on his own... come on. So when i see green i just dont read it anymore buddy, not beyond the first insult anyway. Sorry man.
Our drama ends here.
later
Having personally deployed over 75 Vista clients, I can say that Vista driver support is great--unless you have an HP printer.
Also, those worried about the "memory footprint" of Vista should be aware that the OS manages memory differently than previous versions of Windows. My OS X box at home always reports my RAM is 75-100% in use at all times, even though I don't have anything open. It's useless to whine about what you think is poor memory management.
Also, those worried about the "memory footprint" of Vista should be aware that the OS manages memory differently than previous versions of Windows. My OS X box at home always reports my RAM is 75-100% in use at all times, even though I don't have anything open. It's useless to whine about what you think is poor memory management.
Ok, either this is a comparatively subtle trolling attempt, or you have to be thick as a plank of wood.Iccy wrote:bap bap bap muurrrr
Oh wait, we've been through all this before (and you came off like a real tard that time too):
http://quake3world.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=29409
Iccy, do you recieve money or other incentives from any third party for discussing these topics on this messageboard?
Here is one:Turbine wrote:Do you have any links to previous topics? I cant find any in the search, and I would love to read up on why.Grudge wrote:ffs, I thought we had explaned how you can't compare memory usage in XP and Vista enough times by now
http://quake3world.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=30719
Here is another:
http://quake3world.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=29409
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Tormentius
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That's the thing Iccy, I don't need to ask you about your opinion. There are plenty of people on this forum with relevant, interesting opinions and insights as well as a lot of knowledge in their respective fields of interest but you don't fall into that category. Instead, you just tend to spout off on topics you've got no clue about then whine when someone comments on your ignorance.Iccy wrote: He doesnt understand a lot of what i mean, like my win98se comment. If he just asked me about it he would know...
Iccy, Torm gave some very good and reasoned answers to your issues.
Those are MS policies, and they exist for a reason.
I don't understand why in hell you would want to install Win98 either, it makes no sense.
You didn't deem the remark worthy of explaining -- why should everyone start asking you to describe what you were feeling at the time you wrote that?
I read it, and just assumed that it was a backhanded jab at MS' operating systems.
And for the other part: you say you've yet to find someone who can convince you that Vista's features make it worth using.
Torm's point is that, as an IT professional, you should see it in your best interests to research those questions for yourself, as thoroughly as possible, so you have a reasoned opinion and don't have to rely on other people to convince you of what's best for users.
Those are MS policies, and they exist for a reason.
I don't understand why in hell you would want to install Win98 either, it makes no sense.
You didn't deem the remark worthy of explaining -- why should everyone start asking you to describe what you were feeling at the time you wrote that?
I read it, and just assumed that it was a backhanded jab at MS' operating systems.
And for the other part: you say you've yet to find someone who can convince you that Vista's features make it worth using.
Torm's point is that, as an IT professional, you should see it in your best interests to research those questions for yourself, as thoroughly as possible, so you have a reasoned opinion and don't have to rely on other people to convince you of what's best for users.
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R00k wrote:Iccy, Torm gave some very good and reasoned answers to your issues.
Those are MS policies, and they exist for a reason.
I don't understand why in hell you would want to install Win98 either, it makes no sense.
You didn't deem the remark worthy of explaining -- why should everyone start asking you to describe what you were feeling at the time you wrote that?
I read it, and just assumed that it was a backhanded jab at MS' operating systems.
And for the other part: you say you've yet to find someone who can convince you that Vista's features make it worth using.
Torm's point is that, as an IT professional, you should see it in your best interests to research those questions for yourself, as thoroughly as possible, so you have a reasoned opinion and don't have to rely on other people to convince you of what's best for users.
Oh no rook, im not saying he has nothing to say, i know he does, i know he is smart and know his shit, but he doesnt know my shit and my job and my experiences and simply writes them off as wrong or im making them up cause they differ from his. Its hard to talk to a person that is more concerned about ... tormenting you .. lol.. then really upping the level of knowledge between us. im over fighting, im so tired of it rook, i just wanna have a mature intelligent and fruitful conversation. So with him when i see insults fly, which if you look took about 1 sentence, i have to shut him down cause with him at least, its been a on going situation. I think he is just pissed cause he gave me some advice on something and my add got the best of me and i asked again a mont or 2 later the same question, cause he has been a cunt since then. Sorry, i forget shit. Shoot me.
Anyway, let me just clarify for you then rook. I didnt mean to come off as a MS basher so let me just lay it out.
Windows is great. When i was doing my labs for my certs i started looking around at win2k3 server and xp and the level of integration and the admin tools and i really liked it. Its a awesome business solution. Linux has its use, mac has its use, each designed for a nitch in the market. I know this and try to not bash MS, especialy cause its the cool thing to do. But in the same respect if i have problems with something im going to call it a piece of shit and in my experiences in the field Vista is what i have said it is in this thread. Rook in the field i have a 20% failure rate of vista wifi installs, 20%. These are new computers right out of the box and dont work till you rip out all the netowkring components then uninstall the card, delete the driver, install the nic, install the protocals one by one and even then sometimes it doesnt work and no one has found another way to get them to work. 20% failure on a new piece of software on a new pc that was just bought. Thats just the tip of the berg too, vista has issue. Period.
To make clear the win98se comment, i perhaps just want clear enough, maybe i went too mac nerd and assumed it would be understood, infact thats pretty clear now thats what happened. But certain i would have thought he would know what parrallels is even if he isnt a mac fan and would instantly make the connection. I mean i did say " I only even have windows on my mac for 1 program that i have to have for work to inferact with the database. So for there win98se will take up level less resources in emulation. " I would think a IT professional would understand what the word " emulation" means.
As far as Torms point bro, i get his point, i get it very clearly
. But my point is i have researched on my own, i have knowledge through hands on experience in the field, i think thats pretty good source material for my position, where as the only explaination i have heard from Torm is " i read some docs that prove my point." Which i find hilarious cause he gives me shit everytime i mention i have certs and tells me how worthless paper is yet uses it as his only source for a opinion, not mention a doc from MS is not exactly where im going to place my complete and unwaivering faith in their product, cause they tend to lie to make themselves look good. Secondly he wants me to go and find these docs and study them so i can understand a point he is trying to make. I dont know, call me crazy, but when you dispute something that someone is saying, the burden of proof is on the person disputing the point, not the person in opposition.But its all good, i dont wanna argue. If you all dont wanna believe me, wanna believe me a fool that doesnt know anything about computers or whatever, thats ok man. I know what i know and i have people over here in the real world that are flesh and bone that reflect what im saying .
So whatever, im just gonna leave it here and im sorry if torm actually said something worth while after the first sentence in his reply, but the second i see drama out of his mouth im walking. I mean look at what this turned into. I dont wanna be part of drama anymore. If im gonna be round here i would much rather bring and be part of stuff like the id/apple thread i made. /shrug
See yas