tnf wrote:About as sad as guys like John Hagee, a McCain guy, calling the catholic church the 'great whore' or Pat Robertson talking about Katrina being God's wrath on New Orleans. What is sad indeed is Republican water carriers ignoring the fact that their southern baptists and evangelicals have made comments every bit as idiotic as the ones uttered by Reverand Wright. But its more convenient to ignore those.
McCain never has mentioned that any of those guys is his mentor. He's just accepting their endorsement.
Iknow, I know, let me cut you off here, I'm a dumb ass.
tnf wrote:About as sad as guys like John Hagee, a McCain guy, calling the catholic church the 'great whore' or Pat Robertson talking about Katrina being God's wrath on New Orleans. What is sad indeed is Republican water carriers ignoring the fact that their southern baptists and evangelicals have made comments every bit as idiotic as the ones uttered by Reverand Wright. But its more convenient to ignore those.
Iknow, I know, let me cut you off here, I'm a dumb ass.
Maybe you are, I haven't given it any thought before, but that isn't the point. The right continually lines themselves up with evangelicals who make comments like this...if you think there is no double standard evident in the response to these comments by folks on the right, you are a dumbass.
Dukester wrote:no i'm not
you like everyone else cut out the body of my point in your reply.
this guys is his mentor and now he has to back pedal like a crawdad to keep any chance alive of getting the nomination.
I'm not arguing against the fact that it was stupid of him to even associate with this guy once he realized what a nutjob he was, I'm arguing that people like you that are getting worked up about this whole 'mentor' issue need to pay attention to the fact that the leaders of the religious right have served as de facto mentors to all the Republican candidates and they are every bit as out there as Wright is. My opinion is that any politician associating with any pastor is putting himself at risk but in this era it seems like people want theocracies. McCain called the Falwells and Robertsons agents of intolerance and then crawled back to them for support when his candidacy for was gaining traction and he did it to keep any chance alive for getting the nomination.
The irony you miss is this: Obama is crawling away from a religious nut to have any chance of getting the nonimation. McCain crawled back towards the religious nuts to keep alive his chances of getting the nomination because the Republican base won't move towards him if they think he is still at complete odds with them.
Dukester wrote:no i'm not
you like everyone else cut out the body of my point in your reply.
this guys is his mentor and now he has to back pedal like a crawdad to keep any chance alive of getting the nomination.
I'm not arguing against the fact that it was stupid of him to even associate with this guy once he realized what a nutjob he was, I'm arguing that people like you that are getting worked up about this whole 'mentor' issue need to pay attention to the fact that the leaders of the religious right have served as de facto mentors to all the Republican candidates and they are every bit as out there as Wright is. My opinion is that any politician associating with any pastor is putting himself at risk but in this era it seems like people want theocracies. McCain called the Falwells and Robertsons agents of intolerance and then crawled back to them for support when his candidacy for was gaining traction and he did it to keep any chance alive for getting the nomination.
The irony you miss is this: Obama is crawling away from a religious nut to have any chance of getting the nonimation. McCain crawled back towards the religious nuts to keep alive his chances of getting the nomination because the Republican base won't move towards him if they think he is still at complete odds with them.
Looks that way kind of, but I seriously doubt either one of those guys would be indorsing McCain if they had any other choice available. Huckaby etc,.
Point taken.
Dukester wrote:
Looks that way kind of, but I seriously doubt either one of those guys would be indorsing McCain if they had any other choice available. Huckaby etc,.
Point taken.
No they wouldn't...they'd be going for Huckabee for sure. But McCain realized that he'd never, ever get the nomination if he left his "agents of intolerance" comment hanging out there.
It's funny to see how these guys who claim to be "Christians" behave in ways that are completely antithetical to what "jesus" would have done. I dream of the day we'll have an atheist or agnostic candidate (openly that way) that can be nominated and have a serious chance. It won't happen during my lifetime, but it would be nice to see someone chosen without religion coming into the decision.
tnf wrote: It won't happen during my lifetime, but it would be nice to see someone chosen without religion coming into the decision.
Or race...
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Dukester wrote:
Looks that way kind of, but I seriously doubt either one of those guys would be indorsing McCain if they had any other choice available. Huckaby etc,.
Point taken.
No they wouldn't...they'd be going for Huckabee for sure. But McCain realized that he'd never, ever get the nomination if he left his "agents of intolerance" comment hanging out there.
It's funny to see how these guys who claim to be "Christians" behave in ways that are completely antithetical to what "jesus" would have done. I dream of the day we'll have an atheist or agnostic candidate (openly that way) that can be nominated and have a serious chance. It won't happen during my lifetime, but it would be nice to see someone chosen without religion coming into the decision.
I believe (although I can't articulate why exactly) that before that can happen, we would have to have a bona fide Christian leader come forth, and denounce all the hate-mongering fundies by pointing out how antithetical their worldview is to the original teachings of Christ.
Unfortunately, people like that simply can't draw crowds these days.
That, or they don't want to - because they actually read the teachings of Christ and understood the fundamental difference between his faith and politics.
lol religious ppl.
my gf plays piano and sometimes does church gigs on sunday. The one and only time I went with her, the pastor was an overweight woman (bordering on obese) dressed in her 'around the house' casual clothing during the services. she then thanks everyone for coming and right after that she takes out her cellphone and makes a call...it's hard not to mock the whole thing under the circumstances.
ps
my girlfriend is an atheist yet she would cash a check endorsed by jesus
As if we needed further proof that Fox News is run by douchebags, Obama gives a long and complex speech about how we have to confront race as an issue in our country and what's their headline?
The problem with Rev. Wright is he's clearly a racist through his anti-white, anti-Semitic preaching's. While some conservative preachers/pastors make inflammatory comments, their comments are generally directed at perceived sins of choice, I.E. homo-sexuality, abortion, etc. Doesn't make it right but they're making stupid comments towards behavior, not race. Anyone who's made a stupid comment toward race, example would be Trent Lott, is run though the public ringer, unless you're a Liberal or minority. Wright continues to blame the white race for the black's ills. While the white race did/does discriminate, whatever you choose to believe, the white race isn't to blame for 75% single parent households, highest crime rate in relation to population percentage, black-on black crime, etc. The white race has their bottom dwellers but the black race needs to take some ownership of their own problems and stop the blame game. There are plenty of successful blacks in professional positions because they've chosen to rise above any discrimination through their own efforts.
If a white, conservative Presidential candidate were to attend a church where racist and anti-American comments were accepted, the candidate would get dragged through the media but Obama is apparently getting a pass. My guess is that most rational people wouldn't accept over-the-top comments from their spiritual leader if they didn't believe those comments themselves.
It's amazing how the Liberal community, with their professed equality-for-all attitude, accepts excuses for slanted, hateful comments when it comes to their candidate's spiritual leader.
America has it's problems but I believe, as do the thousands who want to keep coming here, it offers tremendous freedoms and opportunities not seen in most countries around the world.
Good to see this place is still kicking and I offer my opinion only for what it's worth.
Some would say you are making a big assumption, based on what the Bible says, that being gay is a choice or behavior. There are many born that way who would argue differently,and from their perspective comments to the effect of Katrina having something to do with gays and lesbians is every bit as 'racist' as what Wright said. Billy Graham is on tape saying horribly anti-semitic comments to Nixon...he ended up getting a pass too eventually, although I don't see Wright ever attempting to make amends the way Graham did. I can't see how a person can attempt to defend ANY of these bastard televangelists and whackjob reverands, liberal or conservative. They rip off their 'flocks' and are generally just disgusting and phony human beings (if we are allowed to make judgements based on the way they live their lives).
I guess the liberals should take more lessons from the morals and values party. Whoever that might be.
I think the African American community would do well to listen to the words of Bill Cosby - he's really been spot on in pointing out how its time to start taking responsibility for things that are within their control.
How is this guy worse then the end times dudes who have Bush's ear? You know, the ones who are trying to hasten the second coming by bringing war to the Middle East.
