Screenshots

[o'dium]

You cant say I don't post damn interesting pictures! Heres a little teaser of what we are doing with Sniper scope views. Rather than doing the old bored 2D black overlay, we wanted something a little nicer... So we went with full 3D models. Let me know what you think, if you can handle the action presented in this shot...?

[obsidian]

You should make it so that you can see the tip of your nose.

[bork[e]]

I've always thought the snipe view should be off centered according to left/right handed players, and maybe instead of the surroundings of the scope being black, it should be a haze/half "black out" as if the other eye was just about to be closed... but I do like what you have there.

edit: I've always liked how insurgency did this (and many others):




If you were to move the scope left or right, imo it would really add soemthing to that view, not sure how the "almost closed eye" effect would really play into all that though, might be a dumb idea, just seems like it would really fit on that view if you could make it look right. Or maybe even rotate the view a bit as if you had your head moved a few degrees left or right resting on the rifle.

[o'dium]

Well we could do that if we wanted to. Not sure yet. But what Insurgency did (and loads of others) is very easy to do, we just make that area off.

Problem with that is that it isn't realistic at all. Not only can you see your surroundings still, but you are given a stupidly small frame in which to snipe from.

Berserk wanted what you suggested, the rest of us wanted what I suggested, so I went with it. But of course, we can test later and see which works better.

[o'dium]

Ok guys, I would like a vote from you all. I've added a quick "test" mock up of what bork[e] said. Now this is using test media that isn't finished yet, so ignore the scope being a bit bland...

Anyway, what I'v done is a variation of what Insugency did. Only I've made the scope area bigger and I've added a blur to the area your not supposed to see (Which will look exactly the same ingame).

Which do you guys prefere? Let me know, and the outcome will decide the fate of the scope! You cant pick wrong so just pick one!

Either method A:


Or method B:


VOTE NOW!

[Fjoggs]

Well if you want realism, then it's method A. But method B looks better.

[MKJ]

A

[fKd]

b imo

[obsidian]

B, except increase the size of the frame so that your "eye" is closer to the scope and reduce the width of the scope's frame. There is usually a pretty thin frame around the lense. It'll also mean you have a larger zoomed up section to play with.

[o'dium]

Well by design we cant do the second. But the first is an obvious tweak.

[jkoder]

B pour moi.

[o'dium]

Ok guys, I updated the Method B pic with a newer version. Its nothing amazing just the new model. Still no texture on the actual scope, but at least you can see the new polycount of the weapon. Hope thats better.

[corsair]

I prefer version B, but what about enlarging the scope some, so that the circle that is the inner border of the metal part gets close to having the same diameter value as the screen's height's? Just a thought tho.

[Silicone_Milk]

I like B more but wouldn't it make sense for the view to zoom in slightly off center so the crosshairs would be center with the eye you're looking through?

Also, since one eye would be closed wouldn't the closed eye's side be darker?

[o'dium]

Silicone_Milk, name me one game thats done that? Thats taking things to far IMO. I'm all for detail but that would make it awful to aim with.

[Fjoggs]

Alot of pro snipers doesn't close the non-master eye, because it's very tireing on both the eyes and your head.

[Shallow]

Very nice. Are you going to be adding some canopies here and there, like on market stalls or something? If you make them slightly translucent and maybe a bit moth-eaten they can look awesome in hot, dusty environments like the one you're going for. And I imagine you're already planning on adding tufts of scrub and dried grass but just haven't done it yet.

[g0th-]

BJA: Looks really good.
Odium: I think B looks better as well


Here's some zbrush test
[lvlshot]http://www.g0th.se/pics/zbrush_pillar.png[/lvlshot]

[Silicone_Milk]

Silicone_Milk, name me one game thats done that? Thats taking things to far IMO. I'm all for detail but that would make it awful to aim with.

Now now, if everybody thought like that we'd still be playing pong.

Why should it matter if other games have done something?

[o'dium]

Because you use that as a base before you go adding features left and right.

Remember, it would also be pretty sweet if we could shoot other players in the leg and have them fall to the floor, screaming, not being able to move... But we know for gameplay, that just wouldnt work. Thats why people take 10 bullets to the face still, because it just wouldn't be fun. Head shots are great, but damage in games is hardly realistic, right?

Lets think about what you said... Half the screen goes black, you look down a sniper sight that isnt centered to your screen... Would it be fun to use? Well, IMO, no. It would kill the weapon being used.

[fKd]

shots of what im working on


update shot of red base


Middle looking down


another looking up Woo

[a13n]

@fKd
Great shots!
I luv your construction which shows something q3 can do.

[WHAT!!]

shots of what im working on


update shot of red base


Middle looking down


another looking up Woo

These really look great.

[fKd]

thanks heaps, I'm still busy working on this, with any luck it will be my first released map for q3. so many abandoned maps lol. I'm already itching to make a dm map as ctf seems to not be the most popular gametype for q3, something sci-fi realistic... custom textures would be fun to work with... maybe make my own set with some of my 1000's of ref pics.. but who knows, learning shaders looks complex

[+JuggerNaut+]

fKd, that looks really good. nice work so far.