toilet paper

[SoM]

i'm using charmin

got a roll here for when the nature calls

the cardboard is in the shape of a heart, guess it must love me

[X-R-Cist]

i prefer

[SoM]

the 3 shels eh

last i heard of this was in demolition man, does it feel like an enema from the spray? or more like a tingly sensation? like fuck me in the brown eye.

[[xeno]Julios]

warm water and soap = far superior to toilet paper.

[Big Kahuna Burger]

rofl that's fucking disgusting

[tnf]

warm water and soap = far superior to toilet paper.

Maybe after you've cleaned with TP, but not when things are messy and you just need some absorbency.

[X-R-Cist]

the 3 shels eh

last i heard of this was in demolition man, does it feel like an enema from the spray? or more like a tingly sensation? like fuck me in the brown eye.

actually you use 2 shells like chop sticks, and use the 3rd as a scoop.

really we all know that 1 cup works best...

[andyman]

i still want to make toilet paper with various facts on it. i think that would make me rich... everyone uses toilet paper (most people at least)

[CaseDogg]

warm water and soap = far superior to toilet paper.

bottoms, always clean and scented.

[mcelf]

warm water and soap = far superior to toilet paper.

WTF????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????

That sounds absolutley fucking rough.

[Ryoki]

Think about it, little monkey. If you had some poo on you anywhere else, would you wipe it off with toilet paper or rather use water & soap?

[horton]

My turds have recently become pretty regular, I dump in the morning before I shower, and dump when I get home, again just before a shower.

When at work, if I absolutely have to, I will dump, but I prefer not to use toilet paper if at all possible.
It does not remove shit, it just smears it around your ass.

Julius is right on this one, it took me having a girlfriend from somewhere that isn't Japan or UK to show me the error of my ways.

You could eat your dinner from my arse, it's that damn clean

[tnf]

So how do you go about using hot water and soap? Just lather your hand up?

[[xeno]Julios]

my shower hose is long enough to extend to my toilet, so after taking a dump, I'll turn on the warm water, and point it up at my ass and clean the area thoroughly with the pad of my index finger. Then I'll soap up my hand, and repeat. Then I wash my hands very well. Also helps to have trimmed finger nails so nothing gets stuck behind them. But with careful technique this isn't an issue.

My bowel movements are pretty good so there's not much mess there to begin with, but if there is you can always use toilet paper as a starter.

If you master the technique, you really don't get much direct exposure to fecal matter with your finger, as there's always a layer of water between finger and anus.

Stretching open the area with the thumb and other fingers is also key to exposing the most amount of anal surface area for cleaning.

I basically have a clean asshole 24/7 which is quite nice.

If there is no shower hose that you can use, you can do a good job squatting under the bath tap and letting the water run down from the back.

[Geebs]

do your flatmates/house guests know about this?

[[xeno]Julios]

do your flatmates/house guests know about this?

yes and I live with 2 females and one male.

The male has actually adopted my method (though I haven't discussed the precise technique with him).

It's better than cleaning myself in the shower, as fecal matter would get over the porcelain. When I clean myself, the shower hose is angled such that the washoff doesn't fall back directly onto it.

[Tsakali]

never heard of adding soap to the mix even though it makes sense... but a damp toilet paper is what I use...in the USA.

in greece (and I'm suspecting in most european countries) in a proper 'full bathroom' they have what you call a bidet:



next to the toilette which is meant for that very use.
LOL most americans don't even know what it is, hence it's not even available to purchase unless you go to some kind of specializing store.

if you think about it, simply smothering shit with a dry toilet paper around your anus doesn't sound the best approach, yet most of us never give it a second thought.

[[xeno]Julios]

the use of soap is relatively recent for me - I use natural tea tree oil soap which doesn't have artificial scents and the like, so doesn't seem to cause any irritation.

As for north america being unique in not using bidets, this little read may give some insight:

http://www.bidet.com/bidet.htm

Most Americans are not familiar with the unique "fourth" bathroom fixture, long an essential in the sophisticated homes and hotels of Paris, Rome, Caracas and Rio. It's called the Bidet (pronounced Bee-Day) and may be described as a little bath to sit in.

It appears that the Bidet had its origin in France. It was comprised of a simple encased receptacle used to hold the water and supported in a portable wooden stool. The name "Bidet" originally meant small horse. French Cavaliers desirous of bathing but having little time to do so, were indeed thankful for the original version of the Bidet. It permitted partial bathing of those body parts which were in close contact with their saddles.

The Bidet is almost always placed beside the bathroom toilet (as illustrated above) and is actually a form of lavatory. It provides convenient facilities for intimate personal cleansing of the rectal and genital areas of the human body usually not accessible for washing when fully dressed. It is the most significant innovation for personal hygiene and sanitation since the introduction of indoor plumbing itself.

The chief purpose of the Bidet is to maintain for the user a constant state of cleanliness after each use of the toilet. The Bidet should be considered a hygienic necessity rather than a luxury or status symbol. Daily use of the Bidet should become as conventional as brushing one's teeth.

After elimination, it is impossible to cleanse the rectal/vaginal areas with dry toilet paper. Warm water is obviously a better cleansing agent than the softest, prettiest or costliest toilet paper available. Any family laundress or personal valet can testify to this statement.

Toilet paper has been perfumed, decorated in color, sterilized and made antiseptic, but nevertheless, it is still dry paper and only a step better in evolutionary improvement than the pages of the mail order catalogue or the barbaric plantain leaf.

If it is routine to wash one's hands after using the toilet, is it even not more logical to wash one's bottom? Babies always have their bottoms washed clean, powdered and pampered. However, upon graduating from infancy to the stage of self reliant childhood, they are permitted to revert to the medieval custom of wiping and dry toilet paper. American parents are solely responsible for depriving their children of the appropriate guidance and education on this subject. Perhaps this is the result of the Puritanical American culture and heritage handed down through the years.

Most Americans are reluctant to talk about the matters which Bidets are concerned with. Many people look upon the Bidet with ridicule, thinking it is reserved for Parisiennes of doubtful virtue*, solely for feminine hygiene (douche bowl), or for prophylactic purposes (birth control). The latter is obviously not accomplished with plain water washing. Some misinformed Americans maintain that if people take enough baths or showers they do not need the Bidet. It should be realized that the Bidet is not a competitor of the bathtub or stall shower, but an adjunct-auxiliary-facility.

It is truly amazing that although American plumbing manufacturers produce more Bidets than manufacturers in any other country, these same Bidets are exported away from the very people who believe that they lead the world in personal cleanliness and hygiene habits. It appears incredible that the modern American who spends so many billions of dollars on cosmetics, drugs, and various other personal care preparations annually, as compared to similar expenditures for physicians' services, should be so concerned about fastidious daintiness and well being for 98% of his body, when for the better part of each 24 hours he blissfully ignores his invisible but nevertheless soiled derriere.

The same American who employs the tooth brush and "Water Pik" 1-2- or 3 times daily, should not retain the antiquated habit of relying on toilet paper to achieve cleanliness.

The Bidet can be put to good use for many purposes. The therapeutic advantages of washing after elimination are obvious to every proctologist, gynecologist and general physician. Bathing the genital organs can be more easily accomplished here than in a tub or shower. Women should thoroughly cleanse the external vaginal area at every opportunity during the menstruation period.

It seems unbelievable that the American home, which is so commonly equipped with every comfort, convenience and entertainment gadget such as: air conditioning, color television, dish washers, clothes washers and dryers, electric tooth brushes and shavers, stereo music sets, hair dryers and so on, should be so sadly lacking in such a useful appliance for the bathroom. For that matter, American hospitals are not equipped with Bidets nor are the majority of homes of American Physicians including proctologists and gynecologists.

[Doombrain]

jesus christ

[werldhed]

the use of soap is relatively recent for me - I use natural tea tree oil soap which doesn't have artificial scents and the like, so doesn't seem to cause any irritation.

As for north america being unique in not using bidets, this little read may give some insight:

http://www.bidet.com/bidet.htm

It doesn't offer much insight. It seems to have more one-sided opinion than anything.
For example:
Babies do not always have their asses cleaned. They are typically wiped with a baby-wipe. This, along with the powder, is to prevent diaper rash. As babies tend to have messy shits, and it gets caught in the diaper and spread all over, this is a necessity. If you wear Depends and have a bad case of diarrhea, then yes, I would suggest a thorough cleansing ritual following expulsion.

Why should I be concerned with scrubbing my ass? No other part of me is in contact with it. I don't put food in my crack and then eat it. If I get something on my feet, I don't go scrub them with soap. I wipe them with a paper towel and go on with my day.

Most americans bathe once a day. Let's assume we both crap twice a day. You are cleaning your ass twice (three times if you shower once, too), whereas I am cleaning my ass once. That's hardly unhygienic, I think.

Re: the shit about gynecologists and proctologists: My wife is a gynecologist, and she does not recommend using a bidet constantly during menstruation. Normal bathing is fine. I think perhaps the author is reaching beyond their expertise. It sounds to me it was written by someone who simply doesn't shower.

[Tsakali]

listen to how cute you sound, defending what you have (or have not) been taught since childhood... it's ok, nobody is blaming you personally for your lack of knowledge on this great invention...please don't prolong ignorance by taking the defensive on this.

Is it a good idea? yes
is it absolutely necessary? prolly no

But the fact that the guy's article reads like an american bashing shouldn't devolve our conversation here on the subject.

[tnf]

listen to how cute you sound, defending what you have (or have not) been taught since childhood... it's ok, nobody is blaming you personally for your lack of knowledge on this great invention...please don't prolong ignorance by taking the defensive on this.

The fact that the guy's article reads like an american bashing shouldn't devolve our conversation here on the subject.

His wife is a gynecologist. I'm guessing she knows more about ass hygiene than the rest of us, collectively.

[werldhed]

listen to how cute you sound, defending what you have (or have not) been taught since childhood... it's ok, nobody is blaming you personally for your lack of knowledge on this great invention...please don't prolong ignorance by taking the defensive on this.

Is it a good idea? yes
is it absolutely necessary? prolly no

But the fact that the guy's article reads like an american bashing shouldn't devolve our conversation here on the subject.

It doesn't bother me how people clean their asses. I have no problem with bidets, other than that I find them a bit awkward to use.
I was just refuting some of the points that guy was trying to make to sell his product. You basically already said it: sure they're nice, but not necessary, and that guy sounds like a dong.

[[xeno]Julios]

Why should I be concerned with scrubbing my ass? No other part of me is in contact with it. I don't put food in my crack and then eat it. If I get something on my feet, I don't go scrub them with soap. I wipe them with a paper towel and go on with my day.

* It reduces the amount of fecal matter that is transferred to your underwear (which you then put in the laundry with the rest of your clothes).

* Reduces the incidence of anal itch.

* Probably healthier overall by reducing the chances of bacterial infection, though not sure about this. I am more confirdent that if you happen to have surface wounds or sores in the area, you'd be well advised to maintain top notch anal hygiene.

* Makes oral sex a lot more pleasant, especially during some positions where the anus is in close contact with face. Goes without say that anilingus becomes a much more pleasant experience with a clean bum. And you never know the next time someone's gonna offer you a rim licking - always handy to be prepared.

Most americans bathe once a day. Let's assume we both crap twice a day. You are cleaning your ass twice (three times if you shower once, too), whereas I am cleaning my ass once. That's hardly unhygienic, I think.

I don't like to call things either hygienic or unhygienic. There are degrees. For me, a good cleansing after each bowel movement is hardly inconvenient, and the benefits are well worth it. Also, cleaning your anus in the shower, while effective, may be less hygienic than in a bidet or with a hose over the toilet, since in a shower the fecal matter comes into contact with the porcelain.

Re: the shit about gynecologists and proctologists: My wife is a gynecologist, and she does not recommend using a bidet constantly during menstruation. Normal bathing is fine. I think perhaps the author is reaching beyond their expertise. It sounds to me it was written by someone who simply doesn't shower.

Yea I'm not sure about those claims either. There doesn't seem to have actually been any research done into anal hygiene, but it seems pretty clear that in the absence of peer reviewed evidence, common sense and personal experience suggest that there are benefits, even if these don't necessarily include reduced health risks.

[tnf]

I have no desire for a rim licking, regardless of how clean my pooper is. Giving or taking, the colon just isn't something that screams "put something here for sexual pleasure" to me. But to each their own.