No threads about the genocide in Palestine?

[HM-PuFFNSTuFF]

are you one of those interweb ppl who go around trying to get a rise out of people?

there is noone like that here.

[busetibi]

when reality is easily attainable with a little effort...

this from the guy who still insists that 9/11 was an inside job

[scared?]

lol the moron is back...

[busetibi]

so I notice.

[R00k]

people who only see bias on one side of the argument are wrong from the beginning.

people who challenge themselves to see EVERY bias in the discussion will never be right either, but at least they'll be starting from an honest position.

[scared?]

fuck u...i like busetibi's bs better than that gayness...

[mjrpes]

Martin Indyk getting embarrassed by Finkelstein, explains he is not "prepared" to debate with him:

http://i4.democracynow.org/2009/1/8/for ... _vs_author

Martin is adviser to Hilary Clinton, and may become a special envoy to the middle east... looks like peace is on the way

[mjrpes]

Martin has a book coming out called innocent abroad... looks like the interview did some permanent damage to that:

http://www.amazon.com/Innocent-Abroad-I ... 1416594299

[Massive Quasars]

According to the BBC (quoting Gazan medical sources), 1028 Palestinians have died since the beginning of these operations.

[GONNAFISTYA]

people who only see bias on one side of the argument are wrong from the beginning.

people who challenge themselves to see EVERY bias in the discussion will never be right either, but at least they'll be starting from an honest position.

Yes but - eventually - when facts come out and a general consensus of what's happening can be established, you'll have no choice but to bias your viewpoint. The reason is simple: eventually everyone sees that one side of the debate is clearly wrong.

Fuck balance and fuck listening to both sides....after all this time - when it comes to Israel and their insane foreign policy - it is not the point.

[GONNAFISTYA]

According to the BBC (quoting Gazan medical sources), 1028 Palestinians have died since the beginning of these operations.

...and 3 Israelis. (according to various sources)

So...after all the rockets that Hamas has fired into Israel...can anyone tell me what have they've actually hit? It's never reported what actual damage Hamas does with their rocket attacks, it's simply used as the excuse for invasion.

[busetibi]

According to the BBC (quoting Gazan medical sources), 1028 Palestinians have died since the beginning of these operations.

and how many of hamas fighters(?) are included in the 1028?
or are they all hiding out like Haniyeh?
I also wonder if the Fatah members that hamas butchered for supposedly helping Israel are included in those numbers.
a different slant?
http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite? ... 2FShowFull

as opposed to 12 deaths in the IDF (four from friendly fire)
edit:jpost

[GONNAFISTYA]

not bad.
Israel has offered several times and is willing to have a two state solution but it's kinda hard to work when one sides charter is for the total annihilation of the Jewish state (Israel)
but lets leave that alone for now,
the hamas were firing rockets into Israel,Israel told them to stop,the hamas said we'll stop when you open the borders,Israel said we'll talk about opening the borders when you stop firing rockets,we'll stop when you open the borders...............
round and round we go and no one wants to be seen as losing "face" (fkn lol)
speaking of borders, why is it that Egypt refuses to open her borders with gaza? I'd always thought that the hamas were tight with the muslim brotherhood in Egypt?
and how come we're hearning next to nothing from hezbollah,well we're hearing the normal bullshit from Nasrallah but where's the help/support for hamas?
and iran is not helping with it pressuring hamas not to accept an Egyptian peace deal/ceasefire,two senior iranian officials met last week with Damascus-based hamas leaders to warn them against accepting any peace deals with Israel.

anyway,both sides must take equal blame for the current shit fight, will it ever end?
more than likely,
in your or my life time?
maybe.
but it will end,
look at Northern Ireland, Adams and Paisley said they would never talk to each other let alone shake hands, what was it 30-40 years that the troubles lasted?
yet now we have adams and paisley in a power sharing government.


take it or leave it, I have my view, you have your view.
who knows which is the right view, call it as you see it I guess
/dons flak jacket.
bring it.

Sorry but there are just so many "facts" in this post that are dead wrong.

And it's fine to have your "view" but I would ask that your opinion be based on reality, not what CNN tells you. If you actually knew what was going on you wouldn't ask "which is the right view".

[busetibi]

Sorry but there are just so many "facts" in this post that are dead wrong.

And it's fine to have your "view" but I would ask that your opinion be based on reality, not what CNN tells you. If you actually knew what was going on you wouldn't ask "which is the right view".

of course it's fine that I have my view that's what living in a democracy gives me.
Sorry but we dont get CNN in Australia, least I never see it, the tv coverage of gaza over here is almost none existent, maybe a thirty second news grab but that's all and it's heavily pro pal.
I wasn't asking which is the right view? (way to take it out of context to suit yourself)
I said "who knows which is the right view, call it as you see it I guess"

edit: okay just checked, yes we do get CNN and all the other American news channels on pay tv, (why the fuck would anyone pay money to watch tv? :weird: it's all crap.)

[busetibi]

First Gaza Damage Estimate: $1.4 billion
http://www.aawsat.com/english/news.asp? ... 1&id=15379

one wonders how many rockets that would have bought.

[R00k]

One wonders why that's the first thing that comes to your mind when you hear about the damage.

[busetibi]

one wonders why you would assume (and bring all the connotations of that word(ass/u/me) to the fore) that was the first thought I had when I read about the damage.
did I say it was the first thing?
nice try though.

[R00k]

I'm sorry I trampled on your feelings so hard and didn't give you the benefit of the doubt by assuming that the first thing you said was the first thing that came to your mind. I know you're sensitive, and I'll try to be more considerate in the future.

What was the first thing that came to your mind?

[scared?]

how big of a moron he is...

[Dark Metal]

how big of a moron he is...

2 points in one thread. Goof is on fire.

[Massive Quasars]

Most indications point to a ceasefire coming into force in fairly short order. If I get around to it, I'll post some news off the wire about appraisals in Gaza and neighboring Israeli towns.

I've not read the following article in it's entirety, but it seems relevant.
Reuters: Israel may halt Gaza war

[busetibi]

Most indications point to a ceasefire coming into force in fairly short order. If I get around to it, I'll post some news off the wire about appraisals in Gaza and neighboring Israeli towns.

I've not read the following article in it's entirety, but it seems relevant.
Reuters: Israel may halt Gaza war

how's it going to work with Haniyeh wanting it but Mashal not,
http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite? ... 2FShowFull
and Az a-Din el-Kuds Brigade has said it's going to avenge the death of Said Siyam

going over the top of hamas? again how do they expect this to work
http://www.aawsat.com/english/news.asp? ... 1&id=15390
edits: links

[busetibi]

I'm sorry I trampled on your feelings so hard and didn't give you the benefit of the doubt by assuming that the first thing you said was the first thing that came to your mind. I know you're sensitive, and I'll try to be more considerate in the future.
[/sarcasm]

What was the first thing that came to your mind?

empathy followed by saddness then anger.

[mjrpes]

John Ging, the Gaza director of the agency, said that two brothers, ages 5 and 7, were killed about 7 a.m. by Israeli fire at the school. Their mother, who was among 14 others wounded, had her legs blown off.

"collateral damage"

[busetibi]

Unilateral Truce?
http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/129470

dont think so
http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite? ... 2FShowFull

good article on the current hamas problem, who's in charge?
http://www.aawsat.com/english/news.asp? ... 2&id=15407

wow. while Mishal said, “Iran’s role in the future of Palestine should continue and increase,” and that now is the time for this [role] to be implemented, even if it costs thousands of lives.