So I bought a new shotgun...

[+JuggerNaut+]

i wouldn't own something like that, but ffs people, it's like you're offended.

[Doombrain]

lol, funny how yanks are the only people that can't see what's wrong with gun ownership in a 1st world country

[Dark Metal]

i wouldn't own something like that, but ffs people, it's like you're offended.

Some may be offended, however I think it's more of an issue of someone as stupid as Gwamps being allowed to own a firearm.

[xer0s]

it must suck to live somewhere where you think you need a shotgun

I'm happy I don't

Did you not read the thread about the guy who stabbed the kids in the nursery? It doesn't matter where you live, where you go, or what you do. There's always the possibility of some psycho coming in and trying some shit. You can live in the slums or a gated community, and it can still happen.

[Peenyuh]

lol, funny how yanks are the only people that can't see what's wrong with gun ownership in a 1st world country

Funny how Brits are the only ones who ignore threats til London starts getting the shit bombed outta it.

[LawL]

Fuck I'd hate to live in a place that's such a shit hole that you have to have a shotgun for home security.

[Doombrain]

Funny how Brits are the only ones who ignore threats til London starts getting the shit bombed outta it.

1. London's been bombed for years, you fucking moron.

2. You're a filthy Mexican

3.

[Peenyuh]

1. London's been bombed for years, you fucking moron. My point exactly

2. You're a filthy Mexican That's filthy American, you dumbshit

3. u mad

[Doombrain]

u dumb

[Geebs]

Lol gun-fetishising rednecks. Fortunately all of our teenagers are too busy wasting my taxes and stabbing each other to get up to much shit these days.

[Dukester]

If I was looking for a 308 win I would buy one of the brownings

http://www.browning.com/products/catalo ... ype_id=008

or mayby a springfrield armory or any of the bolt actions from remington or winchester.

it just puzzles me why you would post this here in a forum where most of the people think that gun ownership is stupid. you know you are gonna get ridiculed and trolled. it just seemes like you are asking for it is all.

[xer0s]

I think he probably just wants to express his interests, just like everyone else does here. But he doesn't care if they rag on him.

[Dukester]

i figured that, but it happens so often.

[werldhed]

Lol gun-fetishising rednecks. Fortunately all of our teenagers are too busy wasting my taxes and stabbing each other to get up to much shit these days.

Isn't it refreshing to know asbos keep you funded?

The same way pregnant teens keep my wife in business. Keep on propagating kiddies.


as for the gun: Now that I have a family, I empathize with people who want to protect theirs. But I'm not into the notion that tactical military-style guns make you cool. Everyone has a hobby, though. This one just seems a bit less cultured than others.

I am curious, though -- why would you want a shotgun to protect your family? Aren't you a little worried about firing it in your house? All that shot flying and ricocheting everywhere... Wouldn't a handgun in the bedside table be safer?

[SOAPboy]

Lol gun-fetishising rednecks. Fortunately all of our teenagers are too busy wasting my taxes and stabbing each other to get up to much shit these days.

Isn't it refreshing to know asbos keep you funded?

The same way pregnant teens keep my wife in business. Keep on propagating kiddies.


as for the gun: Now that I have a family, I empathize with people who want to protect theirs. But I'm not into the notion that tactical military-style guns make you cool. Everyone has a hobby, though. This one just seems a bit less cultured than others.

I am curious, though -- why would you want a shotgun to protect your family? Aren't you a little worried about firing it in your house? All that shot flying and ricocheting everywhere... Wouldn't a handgun in the bedside table be safer?

Yeah a handgun would serve better, obviously.

I dont know why everyones so hostile about him "tacing" out his shotty. Hell, guns are fun times. Pew pew and all that nonsense. Gun shows coming to town here soon, and im sure ill go pickup a few myself. All in the sake of good times and shooting niggas.

[LawL]

Says it all really.

[HM-PuFFNSTuFF]

gwamps is afraid someone's going to break in looking for spare cans of shit/puke green paint.

[MKJ]

and I thought this was a trollthread inspired by raw's guitarpurchase

[LawL]

Floridians

[+JuggerNaut+]

pew pew? ffs.

[YourGrandpa]

and I thought this was a trollthread inspired by raw's guitarpurchase

It kind of was. I just happened to have actually bought the shotgun. The troll part was knowing the reaction that I'd get from the majority of the posters on this board. I know how and what these people think about me and guns. But I don’t really care. Why should I?

The truth is I don’t need a shotgun for any reason. I don't live in an area where I seriously anticipate using it. In a sense, it’s a complete waste of money. But I have the money and like guns, so I buy them. That’s all… I feel that as long as I keep them in a safe place and use them responsibly, I got no problems.

Some of you are camera nuts. I wouldn’t give a single shit for anything more than a regular 8mp digital camera. But you camera buffs damn near cum on yourself over a lens and that’s just as wasteful/stupid as me buying a tactical shotgun.

Oh well, to each their own. This board has always been a source of entertainment for me and I’m sure that’s never going to change.

[tnf]

and I thought this was a trollthread inspired by raw's guitarpurchase

The truth is I don’t need a shotgun for any reason. I don't live in an area where I seriously anticipate using it. In a sense, it’s a complete waste of money. But I have the money and like guns, so I buy them. That’s all… I feel that as long as I keep them in a safe place and use them responsibly, I got no problems.

I think if you would have just said this from the get-go instead of going with the home defense/insurance policy answer (and getting defensive when someone asks if anyone had an opportunity to use a gun in a home defense situation), people wouldn't have said as much.

Regarding the home defense issue - and this is a broad question, so don't (again) interpret it as a subtle anti-gun rant -
when you think about it, aren't the number of home-invasion situations where owning a gun would be helpful fairly small? Here's my point - unless you are talking about a pistol or other small weapon that you keep at your side all the time, the gun is likely going to be locked away in a safe place. With that in mind, consider the 3 simplest categories of invasion - 1) you are home when it happens, 2) you are not..and 3) you come home to find someone in your house.

Obviously situation 2 means that the gun is useless for protection and if not secured properly (of even if in some cases) can end up on the streets as a newly acquired tool for a criminal.

In situation 1 - if you are sleeping and they break in and set off an alarm they may bolt. If its the type of person that doesn't bolt when the alarm goes off, odds are they may be a bit more nutty and may be the aggressive type for whom having to get out of bed (being groggy, startled, dazed) unlock and load your weapon, and then get into a position to defend yourself or your family without getting one of them killed in the process is going to be rough, especially with a shotgun. We can all envision ideal situations where the gun does save the day, but I would argue that you can see just as many, if not more, where it makes things worse when you have an aggressive and violent home intruder (most aren't violent and just want some shit without getting caught). Usually people counter my question here with some hypothetical where everything works just fine and the bad guy is shot and everyone else is safe, but I'm looking from the perspective of the total number of scenarios where its helpful for security vs. those where it isn't or where it just makes things worse. Now if you have a pistol, and are very effective with it, the situation may be a little different due to the precision issue, but the other logistical considerations are still present. If you aren't sleeping when they try to break in, and you get to the gun before they make it in, and they don't shoot you first, I can see the benefit.

In situation 3 - if you surprise an intruder by getting home when they are in your house, the gun (unless it is on you) seems to be a non-issue or perhaps a bigger risk in the case of them getting a firearm that isn't secured or perhaps even managing to access one that was secured (assuming that they may have had the tools for this). The odds of you getting to a locked gun, loading it, and all this, while someone else is in your house again seem small. And if you know the person is in the house, but aren't sure where, going in to get your gun is sheer stupidity as you don't know if they are armed. If you come home and see that someone else is there, the only real sane choice is to get the fuck out until the police come.

So I really only see one small subset of situations where a gun truly is a good 'insurance policy' for protecting your home. The number of situations where a person will be able to successfully use it to protect themselves seems really small compared to those where it doesn't help or perhaps making things worse by turning a person who wasn't going to be a violent criminal into someone who is (here I am going off the observation that many of the people I know who speak boldly about how safe their house is because of their guns have no training beyond target practice in how to use the gun in a potentially violent situation and would most likely either miss their target entirely or have said target wrestle the gun from them and shoot them instead.)

So, what is it I am missing about how a gun is truly a very useful home defense tool? I am sure there are things I have overlooked on both sides, but I can't envision myself truly feeling safer because I have a gun in my house (unless its on me all the time, and even then...)

I don't care if people want to own guns. Just trying to learn more about the perspective of those who really do consider guns an insurance policy for home safety.

[GONNAFISTYA]

It's both a penis extension and a sure sign of paranoia.

Some people do indeed sleep with a gun under their pillow. They firmly believe or perceive they're in potential danger enough to "sleep better at night" and purchase a firearm. They've probably thought about some of the scenarios you've described and determined that the best place for it is close at hand. I'm sorry but no matter which way you slice it if you feel you need a weapon in your home then you are either in true danger or paranoid. I have never in my life ever felt the need to have a weapon (specifically designed to kill human beings) in any situation at home or in public. The only potential weapons I've ever owned are pellet guns, steak knives and hockey sticks.

I see no issue with owning weapons for target shooting or hunting, but if you buy a gun or a bowie-knife for protection, speak with a counselor because your paranoia will probably increase and you'll end up hurting someone someday.

Regarding weapons a penis-extensions: as gramps pointed out, some people get hard ons for camera lenses and some people get em for guns. Gramps is obviously the latter. If it's braggin rights, so be it. If you choose to "tac out" your weapon of choice (or your camera) you're simply a different kind of nerd. Lots of paintballers tac out their guns as well. It's like comic-book collectors putting their wares in a better display frame. That's all well and good. It's for showing off.

But what gramps is forgetting is that you can't accidently kill a swath of people with a camera lens unless it's on a rubber band and your arm was grafted on from Roger Clemens.

[MKJ]

and I thought this was a trollthread inspired by raw's guitarpurchase

It kind of was. I just happened to have actually bought the shotgun. The troll part was knowing the reaction that I'd get from the majority of the posters on this board. I know how and what these people think about me and guns. But I don’t really care. Why should I?

The truth is I don’t need a shotgun for any reason. I don't live in an area where I seriously anticipate using it. In a sense, it’s a complete waste of money. But I have the money and like guns, so I buy them. That’s all… I feel that as long as I keep them in a safe place and use them responsibly, I got no problems.

Some of you are camera nuts. I wouldn’t give a single shit for anything more than a regular 8mp digital camera. But you camera buffs damn near cum on yourself over a lens and that’s just as wasteful/stupid as me buying a tactical shotgun.

Oh well, to each their own. This board has always been a source of entertainment for me and I’m sure that’s never going to change.

i applaud this sensible post

[YourGrandpa]

TnF: My original posts were intentionally made to evoke the elicit comments that were made. I no more need or have guns for home defense than anyone here. I also have my guns locked up at all times, so getting to them in the time of need would be quite difficult. However, I do have a concealed weapons permit and carry a Glock 27 in my work vehicle. But I don’t carry it out of fear or paranoia in regards to my every day safety. I carry because I have the right as a citizen of the United States to do so.

GKY: What you seem to forget is that a gun can’t accidentally kill a “swath” of people unless you put it in the hands of a raving psychotic killer, hell bent on ending lives. In which the psycho could kill as many or more people with a car, home made pipe bomb, etc…