David Miliband wrote:"We have profound commitment to freedom of speech but there is no freedom to cry 'fire' in a crowded theatre and there is no freedom to stir up hate, religious and racial hatred, according to the laws of the land. And by the way - did I mention my deep and abiding love for the taste of cock?"
and then it struck me: the united states has the singular honour of being the only country in the world where free speech really exists
seremtan wrote:
and then it struck me: the united states has the singular honour of being the only country in the world where free speech really exists
here's to you, america
lol
Are you fucking high?
You can't even say "fuck" there without censors, church/family groups and fussy old ladies giving you the evil eye.
And BTW Canada has hate-speech laws as well...and for damned good reason.
terrible, really
there hasnt been an outcome of the current trial so really, on what grounds are they denying him entry? cause they dont support him?
fuck that
You can't even say "fuck" there without censors, church/family groups and fussy old ladies giving you the evil eye.
That's not really in the same ballpark though. State action against politically controversial speech or art works is relatively rare here. We have the freest market for dumbasses on the planet. Full stop.
They should have just gone ahead and let him do his thing, now Wilders will feed on the energy that this kind of controversy brings. He's a nightmarish political parasite in that way, and a nerd.
seremtan wrote:
and then it struck me: the united states has the singular honour of being the only country in the world where free speech really exists
here's to you, america
lol
Are you fucking high?
You can't even say "fuck" there without censors, church/family groups and fussy old ladies giving you the evil eye.
And BTW Canada has hate-speech laws as well...and for damned good reason.
i see you're a member of the "i love free speech, except when i don't" crowd
btw is the evil eye the same as being fined/jailed? nope, thought not
your anti-americanism seems to cloud your judgment a lot these days GKY
Anti-americanism? I'm simply stating that there are still many words that can't be published or broadcast in the "only country in the world where free speech really exists".
Dickhead.
And as for the "i love free speech, except when i don't" comment you're correct. I don't think people have the right to incite hatred and make people do violent and stupid things.
I guess nobody heard about the recent murders by a right-wing nut who owned copies of O'Reilly's, Hannity's, etc books? He claimed that Liberals where the anti-christ and that EVERYONE should kill them. He even said that if someone was considering suicide they should take some Liberals with them in a blaze of glory. And his hatred was codified with the hate-speech from those authors.
I understand that we're supposed to treat free speech like adults but some people are simply off their fucking rocker and it's like pouring gasoline on a fire.
You can't even say "fuck" there without censors, church/family groups and fussy old ladies giving you the evil eye.
Not at the moment.
I say "fuck" all the time, but I say it while GIVING the evil eye. Keeps em off balance.
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MKJ wrote:terrible, really
there hasnt been an outcome of the current trial so really, on what grounds are they denying him entry? cause they dont support him?
fuck that
People who can cause unrest and trouble can be denied entry into the UK. On that grounds he was denied.
Makes me wonder if they'd done the same if ol' Georgie Bush was coming over for a visit.
GONNAFISTYA wrote:I don't think people have the right to incite hatred and make people do violent and stupid things.
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I understand that we're supposed to treat free speech like adults but some people are simply off their fucking rocker and it's like pouring gasoline on a fire.
Don't know if you're talking about in general or Geert Wilders here, but the interesting thing about Wilders is that he doesn't really incite hatred. He provokes more than anything else, always using language just in a legal grey area. His 16 minute movie Fitna is a good example of that (go watch it for lulz) - everything in it can't be refuted but the way the images and the text and the music is mixed makes for a lot of insinuating. Insulting to muslims, sure. But not inciting to hatred. And yeah, it's also fun wondering why it's insulting.
Wilders is a cunning man and tries to hide behind the label of free speech... but once every while his true colors come out and he angrily demands that muslim youths shouldn't have the same free speech rights as he... so i'd never vote for the racist bastard. But i have to admit that at the same time i feel that some of his standpoints are legit and indeed a problem, so it's a good thing to have a guy like him speak his mind and stir up public debate and so on.
yeah i probably deserved to get banned all those times back in the day but its been 6 years and im a different person... i was still in high school when i used to post here back in the day... if old ass geoff got a 2nd chance i should do :lol:
You wouldn't believe the media exposure this shit gets in the netherlands.
Really played retardedly by that noob cunt Jacqueline Smith.
I'm sure she means well, but this kind of controversy is exactly what Wilders thrives on.
GONNAFISTYA wrote:
And as for the "i love free speech, except when i don't" comment you're correct. I don't think people have the right to incite hatred and make people do violent and stupid things.
so I guess we should ban the bible, the qur'an, and any other text that has contributed to the justification of harm to someone else eh?
watch the 20 min vid I linked to, may change your mind.
Really a subjective thing what incites hatred, don't you think, GKY?
Some wankers get all worked up about stuff you and me wouldn't give a second thought.
By definition, I think 'free speech' is just that; say anything you like: deny the holocaust, say *all* muslims are terrorists and aids is god's punishment for homos.
People in their right mind will draw their own conclusions.
By censoring bullshit you only make it more interesting and credible, I think.
Geert Wilders
its been like 6 years give me another chance
