So I bought a new shotgun...

[YourGrandpa]

I get your concern. Though you did go on and on. However, I'm sure any answer I give will be wasted on people who are unfimiliar with growing up and living in the United States....

Let me start by saying that it is against the LAW to have your firearm become exposed for any reason. That's ANY reason, which means I could be arrested if someone reported seeing my gun. So I'm not going to bend over or whatever and expose my firearm. Furthermore, your anxiety invloving guns has a lot to do with the fear you were raised with. Personally I don't wander the earth believing that everyone is inherently evil, so carrying a firearm doesn't automatically say UNRESTRAINED KILLER to me. I carry because I can. I'm not looking for a reason to shoot someone nor do I have a desire to kill/mame. I'm not afraid nor do I want to feel superior. It's simply a right that is afforded to me as an American. I have been granted by my government the luxury (after an FBI background investigation and purchasing a permit) of protecting myself with a firearm and because I choose to do so doesn't make me any different than any other law abiding citizen.

[menkent]

nonsense. i grew up and have lived in the US... in Texas, currently. if you feel the need to carry a gun around "to protect yourself" then you are afraid of something. for instance: what are you protecting yourself from?

[YourGrandpa]

nonsense. i grew up and have lived in the US... in Texas, currently. if you feel the need to carry a gun around "to protect yourself" then you are afraid of something. for instance: what are you protecting yourself from?

You should rephrase that. You're the one with the gun hangup, not me. I don't carry because I'm afraid. I really don't. My pistol has become a lot like my cell phone. I pick it up every morning and bring it with me in case I need to use it. That's it.

If you feel like you need to turn it into something more to justify your anxiety, do so. But don't project it on me.

[menkent]

"in case I need to use it"
for what? to open beers? change the channel on the tv?
people carrying (holstered) guns don't make me nervous at all. however, there is nothing in the big scary outside that i feel the need to protect myself from. i guess i wear shoes to avoid pointy rocks and hot pavement, but i don't trick them out with tactical grips and laser sights. you, on the other hand, carry a gun "just in case" you need to shoot someone... but you say you're not afraid of anything.

[Big Kahuna Burger]

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[YourGrandpa]

"in case I need to use it"
for what? to open beers? change the channel on the tv?
people carrying (holstered) guns don't make me nervous at all. however, there is nothing in the big scary outside that i feel the need to protect myself from. i guess i wear shoes to avoid pointy rocks and hot pavement, but i don't trick them out with tactical grips and laser sights. you, on the other hand, carry a gun "just in case" you need to shoot someone... but you say you're not afraid of anything.

Do you wear a seat belt? Do you drive on the correct side of the road? Do you drive the speed limit? Do you obey traffic control devices? Is the reason you do so becuase you live every day of your life in fear of something?

Ehhh.. Nevermind.

[LawL]

Stereotype = Oversimplified conception or belief.

Can you stop your stupid?

Stereotype = classification through characteristic.

Can you be any more cliche'd?

[YourGrandpa]

Stereotype = classification through characteristic.

Can you be any more cliche'd?

Sine you're the one "Stereotyping" me, I guess not.

[LawL]

You're stereotyping yourself, in abundance.

[Geebs]

I get your concern. Though you did go on and on. However, I'm sure any answer I give will be wasted on people who are unfimiliar with growing up and living in the United States....

Let me start by saying that it is against the LAW to have your firearm become exposed for any reason. That's ANY reason, which means I could be arrested if someone reported seeing my gun.

what, ANY reason like, for example, taking your gun out to 'protect' yourself? So you're at much higher risk of getting raped by a bunch of cops for a "grip slip" than you are of actually needing to defend yourself. Whereas if you don't conceal a weapon you can carry a fucking assault rifle without a problem....

Concealed carry laws are wierd. No wonder that you're contradicting yourself constantly

[GONNAFISTYA]

I get your concern. Though you did go on and on. However, I'm sure any answer I give will be wasted on people who are unfimiliar with growing up and living in the United States....

I grew up around guns so if your point about "growing up and living in the US" is based on being around guns you can ditch that approach nearly instantly as it simply doesn't apply to me.

Unless of course you mean that "growing up and living in the US" means growing up paranoid and being told constantly that everyone is out to get me and that I need a gun for protection. If that's the case well I guess I can't really say anything about that and I'll have to take your paranoid, gun-loving word for it.

Let me start by saying that it is against the LAW to have your firearm become exposed for any reason. That's ANY reason, which means I could be arrested if someone reported seeing my gun. So I'm not going to bend over or whatever and expose my firearm.

So what you're saying is that the first thought in your head after seeing the school principal's gun would be to call the cops to arrest him? I don't follow what you're trying to say here as I thought I asked a pretty straightforward question.

Furthermore, your anxiety invloving guns has a lot to do with the fear you were raised with.

I wasn't raised with a fear of guns or people you moron. It sounds like you're the one that was raised with fear being prominent in your upbringing otherwise you wouldn't feel you need to carry one.

Personally I don't wander the earth believing that everyone is inherently evil, so carrying a firearm doesn't automatically say UNRESTRAINED KILLER to me.

Ok...so you'd be cool with the knowledge of people around you packing heat. There's the answer I was looking for.

I carry because I can. I'm not looking for a reason to shoot someone nor do I have a desire to kill/mame. I'm not afraid nor do I want to feel superior. It's simply a right that is afforded to me as an American. I have been granted by my government the luxury (after an FBI background investigation and purchasing a permit) of protecting myself with a firearm and because I choose to do so doesn't make me any different than any other law abiding citizen.

That still sounds like a retarded reason for carrying one but I guess that's your prerogative.

And I disagree with your last statement: you carrying a weapon does indeed make you different than any other law abiding citizen. Maybe not in the gun-crazy US, but certainly in most civilized parts of the world. I mean...if you were in Africa where marauding bands of goons ran around hacking people with machetes for something to do on the weekend I'd fully support your view of carrying a gun. Hell...I'd carry one myself. But you're not in Africa and you're not in a civil war zone and you're certainly not in any danger to necessitate carrying a gun.

Carry one if you choose, but it sounds to me that you like guns a little too much. And that's usually what neighbors say about mass-murderers after their rampage.

"I don't have to be careful. I've got a gun." - Homer Simpson

[Doombrain]

holy shit it's the black gramps.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AMrhiBwF ... r_embedded

[Peenyuh]

Rule #37: Do NOT shoot anyone over snowballs!

[YourGrandpa]

what, ANY reason like, for example, taking your gun out to 'protect' yourself? So you're at much higher risk of getting raped by a bunch of cops for a "grip slip" than you are of actually needing to defend yourself. Whereas if you don't conceal a weapon you can carry a fucking assault rifle without a problem....

Concealed carry laws are wierd. No wonder that you're contradicting yourself constantly

For someone who claims to be a doctor, you're quite stupid. Futhermore, your opinions are jaded and you're beyond reason.

Please refain from reading this topic in the future. It's only going to upset you more.

Thanks for playing.

[Doombrain]

lol at claims.

[YourGrandpa]

Blah blah blah, stupid. Blah, blah, blah, more stupid.

I answered your questions honestly and you still take umbrage with what I say. Fair enough. You have a different set of opinion and values. I can see why you disagree. So we'll have to agree to disagree. So unless you've got something else relevant to the conversation, I think you're done here.

Buh bye. *waves*

[menkent]

Do you wear a seat belt? Do you drive on the correct side of the road? Do you drive the speed limit? Do you obey traffic control devices? Is the reason you do so becuase you live every day of your life in fear of something?

no. i do those because they are all prescribed by law, and as an ethical individual i do make some attempt to follow such laws. to make your argument for you (but better), you would be correct if you said that I don't bareback filthy crackwhores (ignoring the legal aspect) or try to open bottles with my teeth. you would still be wrong though, because those would be examples of intentionally engaging in risky behaviors. carrying a concealed weapon (legally or illegally) actually increases one's risk of being shot and/or killed according to the limited research i've wasted my precious time doing on the off chance that a moron will suddenly become smart. i've read Flowers for Algernon though, so i have little hope that it would stick anyway.

[YourGrandpa]

no. i do those because they are all prescribed by law, and as an ethical individual i do make some attempt to follow such laws. to make your argument for you (but better), you would be correct if you said that I don't bareback filthy crackwhores (ignoring the legal aspect) or try to open bottles with my teeth. you would still be wrong though, because those would be examples of intentionally engaging in risky behaviors. carrying a concealed weapon (legally or illegally) actually increases one's risk of being shot and/or killed according to the limited research i've wasted my precious time doing on the off chance that a moron will suddenly become smart. i've read Flowers for Algernon though, so i have little hope that it would stick anyway.

I'd love to see the unbiased study that somehow proves that a person would be more likely to get shot for simply carrying a "concealed" firearm.

What, are bullets somehow magnetically attracted to other guns?

Or are you saying that every responsible citizen with CCWs are looking for trouble?

Whatever you're saying is wacko any way you look at it.

[HM-PuFFNSTuFF]

Deny it all you want gwamps but everyone here realizes that you are a scared (and fat) man.

Feels the need to carry a gun every day. Wow.

What's that emotion I'm feeling? Oh hey, it's pity. Stay strong YGP!

[menkent]

a higher percentage of people who carry concealed weapons are shot than of people who don't. it's not quantum physics - use the googles, charlie.

[Peenyuh]

a higher percentage of people who carry concealed weapons are shot than of people who don't. it's not quantum physics - use the googles, charlie.

Prove THAT.

[HM-PuFFNSTuFF]

a higher percentage of people who carry concealed weapons are shot than of people who don't. it's not quantum physics - use the googles, charlie.

Prove THAT.

http://www.guncontrol.ca/English/Home/Facts/Facts.htm

[Peenyuh]

You want me to read all of that stuff... about Canadian stats? I just want to see where that statement from menkent came from. I don't know for sure, but it seems to me that most shooting victims - other than cops - are unarmed. When I carried, back in da day, I was NEVER shot at or had another gun pointed at me. The only times that happened, were when I did NOT have my pistol on me.

[R00k]

The idiocy of Gramps aside:

Out of curiosity Puff, would your ideal solution to this problem be the repealing of our 2nd amendment? Or would you lean more towards America's banning of all guns that aren't specifically made for hunting?

Or something in between?

I'm not trying to defend concealed carrying or anything, so don't lump me in with that martian. Just trying to get a solid idea of what kind of solutions you support.

[HM-PuFFNSTuFF]

You want me to read all of that stuff... about Canadian stats? I just want to see where that statement from menkent came from. I don't know for sure, but it seems to me that most shooting victims - other than cops - are unarmed. When I carried, back in da day, I was NEVER shot at or had another gun pointed at me. The only times that happened, were when I did NOT have my pistol on me.

If you read all that stuff you'll learn a lot of pertinent things.