Just thought I'd point this out to the Firefox people...

Post by **prince1000** » Sat Feb 12, 2005 10:27 pm

Tormentius wrote:Verging on a QWFix move. Keep it to relevant points rather than rants gents.

don't you mean R&R?

Post by **Tormentius** » Sat Feb 12, 2005 10:34 pm

prince1000 wrote: don't you mean R&R?

Meh, if rep keeps it up you're right. Browser wars never end well.

Post by **rep** » Sun Feb 13, 2005 12:33 am

Agent Smith, please post some sort of backing to your claims, and a description of your system and I'll e-mail support about whatever quirk in your system setup is causing anomalous problems sole to your system, apparently.

The site you've criticized was completely unbiased in their report, and it was on slashdot, a community that attracts open source advocates who have yet to find anything to refute the commonly known fact that Opera is a better and faster browser.

To seg, and anyone else who is interested in Opera: Does this look cluttered to you?

It's totally functional, and you can do whatever you like with the program. It's quite easy to do so, also. Just right click any toolbar and select customize toolbars'.

For a quick start with mouse gestures, all mouse gestures are executed through either the right mouse button or the middle mouse button or any number of customizable variations that you can come up with. If you want, you can go as far as creating a mouse gesture that when you write your name in cursive with the mouse it enters your password.

Most are far simpler than that, however. You hold the button down, move the mouse, and then let go to execute a gesture. I'll be using >V^< to indicate mouse direction. RMB+< = go back a page. RMB+^V = reload. MMB on a link = open in new tab. RMB+(Shape of an L) = Close the current tab. RMB+(Backwards L shape) = go to the previous tab. RMB+V = make a new tab. RMB+Mousewheel = select a tab.

It really changes how you use the internet. It speeds everything up so much with browsing that you're going so fast that you totally forget that the browser itself is faster at loading everything anyway.

Post by **mjrpes** » Sun Feb 13, 2005 4:56 am

rep wrote:
It really changes how you use the internet. It speeds everything up so much with browsing that you're going so fast that you totally forget that the browser itself is faster at loading everything anyway.

i'm adding this to my wtf list.

Post by **Kills On Site** » Sun Feb 13, 2005 5:02 am

I just use IE because it works and it displays stuff the way I am used to seeing it, and it hasn't been a spyware or trojan problem for me :icon14:

Post by **prince1000** » Sun Feb 13, 2005 5:31 am

i hadn't used opera since v4 but i'm kind of digging this. i need to mess with the email client a bit more. i may be sold on it.

Post by **rep** » Sun Feb 13, 2005 10:38 am

Since e-mail is totally useless in the 21st century (Until the New World Order forces everyone to use some completely secure and un-crackable form of biometrics to verify a public key, and they get e-cops to crack down on spammers) I just use it for it's RSS feeds.

Guest · Post by **Guest** » Sun Feb 13, 2005 8:58 pm

I don't need a browser to make surfing extremely fast. I don't mind moving my mouse a bit to click on something. Matter of fact I have the mouse gestures extension for FF and haven't even used it. Just to satisfy you rep, I'll dl Opera again and tweak it up and give it another shot. I'll bet $10 that I end up deleting it agian though. Oh and IE is free too, so that kindof negates the argument of open source vs. IE.

edit: Well, so far I'm not exactly impressed. Yeah it's pretty customisable. But 'on my system' it seems a bit slower then FF. Other than that not really any different or better. Sorry, but no sale here.

Post by **4g3nt_Smith** » Sun Feb 13, 2005 11:42 pm

Its all about subjective e-penis for some people. :icon26:

Guest · Post by **Guest** » Mon Feb 14, 2005 12:28 am

Kaziganthe wrote:I don't notice any speed difference from IE, to FF, to Opera in page load times, or program startup times. Except IE is a little faster to start, considering it's integrated into the OS and all. I use FF for the tabs, but I have little problem with either of the three browsers. Besides, what does two seconds of extra load time matter?

That's exactly my point. I couldn't care less if it loads a second or two faster. Don't get me wrong, Opera is ok. A pretty good browser. I'm just vehemently against ads and I'm not going to pay to have them removed when I can get esentially the same features for free. And before rep starts with the open source vs. big company again, IE is free and comes with windows. When you pay for the OS you pay the people that developed IE. A free browser in no way detracts from that.

Post by **4g3nt_Smith** » Mon Feb 14, 2005 12:33 am

Hell, I didn't pay for the OS and got IE anyway (Mac version

) But I don't use it, since its ages behind the other browsers, lacks compatibility with most of the standards, and encourages cuntish web-design. Aside from that, its an ok bare-bones browser, and would be quite nice if MS updated it to include standards support (along with Frontpage I assume) and filled the massive holes in it.

Post by **Tormentius** » Mon Feb 14, 2005 6:25 am

IE is the standard...

Open source inclined people may not agree with it and hell, even I don't but with a 90%+ market share Microsoft defines what is standard on the Net.

Post by **Oblivi0.on** » Mon Feb 14, 2005 8:21 am

well put. MS product = standard.

thats like saying linux is standard for desktop OS's. not true. same can be said for open source browsers.

Post by **seremtan** » Mon Feb 14, 2005 2:00 pm

That black Opera skin looks very nice (is that Stardock or someshit?) and I'm sure Opera is absolutely wonderful, but there's no fucking way I'm paying for a browser just for a miniscule speed increment.

As for all this talk of what's better/best/etc , comparing Opera and Firefox is like comparing the guy who won the 100m and the guy who came 0.05 secs behind him in second. They're still both fucking fast! And neither are fat bloaters like IE.

It may well be that exploits for FF may appear as it increases its market share from it's current stonking 4% to approach or even surpass IE's dismal 95% share (/sarcasm), but the same would be true of Opera if we all took rep's advice and started using it.

Post by **Fender** » Mon Feb 14, 2005 4:53 pm

Scourge wrote: ...
Matter of fact I have the mouse gestures extension for FF and haven't even used it.
...

Do yourself a favor and start using it for forward and back. Right click mouse drag left goes back a page. Right click drag right goes forward. That's what I use @ work where my mouse doesn't have forward/back buttons. @ home, my mouse does have those buttons and I don't have the plugin installed.

Post by **rep** » Mon Feb 14, 2005 9:35 pm

seremtan wrote:That black Opera skin looks very nice (is that Stardock or someshit?)

You can download skins for Opera for free from their website. I'm using Flat Skin v.02 for Opera and K-OSX Black Win/Compact by dumbassjones as my VS.

It's a tad on the dark side, but it looks great in Photoshop. It helps me center my eyes on the work.

Post by **Kills On Site** » Mon Feb 14, 2005 10:56 pm

seremtan wrote:And neither are fat bloaters like IE.

how is IE a fat bloater?