Well hell may be freezing over (workout)

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[xeno]Julios
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Don Carlos wrote:Probably gonna have a month off work soon...so I'm gonna continue with my cardio and light weight sessions but as soon as the month off comes up I wanna go into serious fat burning mode. Going to do a good calorie controlled diet and plenty of running and rowing...anything else I need to do? Food groups to miss or concentrate on etc...?
try to cut out as much sugar from your diet as possible. Start reading labels. Things like soda, alcohol, and yes, fruit juice, are notorious here. Eliminate them.

Here is an excellent article on sugar:

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/04/17/magaz ... gar-t.html

also check out this lecture (which a lot of the article is based on):

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dBnniua6-oM

The paleo diet looks very good for weight loss. The idea is to surround yourself with foods that we evolved to eat, and just eat when hungry and let your instincts guide you.

So lots of meat, chicken, fish, vegetables, fruits, berries, nuts, seeds. If you stock your kitchen with these food groups, and eat them exclusively, you'll be in good stead.

There are plenty of paleo websites/blogs out there with attractive meal suggestions.

Also, start lifting heavier - muscle is metabolically expensive tissue - the more you have, the higher your metabolism is. Building muscle is a great way to burn fat.
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Thanks Julios - I have taken the muscle thing from someone else in the thread. I build muscle quickly on my legs so I am going for gold on them at the moment but I can see me needing to work my chest quite soon.

I like to think my legs are strong but I don't do all the heavy squat stuff that people do here. I will start doing normal squats (5x20 per day perhaps) to see how I hold up and see if that help my legs build more. I can see that after a few months of exercise my base fitness has improved by a long way which is what I was first aiming for. I have acheived that so now it is the fat burning to get myself as trim as possible.

Also I drink a lot of this stuff http://www.innocentdrinks.co.uk/things_ ... smoothies/ which I am guessing is not good for me at all :/

It will be a tough month, but before then I will work on muscle developement and see how that helps....

Fun fun fun :)
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Don Carlos wrote:rim as possible.

Also I drink a lot of this stuff http://www.innocentdrinks.co.uk/things_ ... smoothies/ which I am guessing is not good for me at all :/
actually insofar as fruit juices go that's probably one of the best I've seen. It's still got added honey, and has undergone pasteurization (albeit a gentle form), so you'll save yourself money by just eating fruit the way it's meant to be eaten. You can even make your own smoothies and save cash.

Fruits have sugar (high carb fruits,like bananas have a fair amount of sugar in them), but having sugars post workout isn't a bad idea, especially if you need to replenish glycogen stores in your body.

Also, eating fruits in their natural context means you get the fibres that come bundled with it, which can ease the delivery of the sugar into your system.
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[xeno]Julios wrote:Here is an excellent article on sugar:

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/04/17/magaz ... gar-t.html

also check out this lecture (which a lot of the article is based on):

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dBnniua6-oM
Thanks for the links, very interesting read and I'll try to watch the lecture later :up:
[xeno]Julios wrote:The paleo diet looks very good for weight loss. The idea is to surround yourself with foods that we evolved to eat, and just eat when hungry and let your instincts guide you.

So lots of meat, chicken, fish, vegetables, fruits, berries, nuts, seeds. If you stock your kitchen with these food groups, and eat them exclusively, you'll be in good stead.
I've naturally gravitated towards this sort of a diet over the course of a few years and follow it to a moderate degree of discipline [i.e. strictly aside from the odd cookie or slice of cake or fruit juice here and there]. What are your thoughts on healthy forms of carbs? High fibre cereals or oats, whole wheat or multigrain breads are the common ones you hear about, but what about stuff like white rice?
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U4EA wrote: I've naturally gravitated towards this sort of a diet over the course of a few years and follow it to a moderate degree of discipline [i.e. strictly aside from the odd cookie or slice of cake or fruit juice here and there]. What are your thoughts on healthy forms of carbs? High fibre cereals or oats, whole wheat or multigrain breads are the common ones you hear about, but what about stuff like white rice?
A paleo fanatic would avoid any sort of grain, be it wholewheat or not. There seem to be two motivations here:

1) might as well get your calories bundled with a bunch of balanced nutrients such as those found in animal flesh, vegetables and fruits. Why waste time with "empty calories"

2) Many grains appear to have a high amount of antinutrients. These are substances that interfere with the absorption of other nutrients. Lectins, phytates, etc. There are ways to overcome this, such as soaking, fermenting, and sprouting.

As for white rice, from what I understand, it has a lower fructose content than brown rice. And it has less antinutrients than brown rice. So if you are gonna go for rice, it seems as though white rice may be a safer bet.

Also, there seems to be a consensus that for athletes, fructose may not be such a bad thing - the body can metabolize it in a "healthy manner". There is also the dose-dependent context

see this for a healthy debate on the issue:

http://www.alanaragonblog.com/2010/01/2 ... -alarmism/

Here's a really good blog that I've recently started perusing - the dude's not a fanatic by any means:

http://wholehealthsource.blogspot.com/



I've recently started eating soft boiled eggs, avocado, and blueberries for lunch. Previously, I was eating two scrambled egg or cheese sandwiches. I've noticed something very interesting: I no longer have sugar cravings at night. Up until last night, I'd eat home made brownies and ice cream almost every night to help me carb load for sports (and coz it's fucking tasty). Last night I just didn't have the appetite for it. We'll see what happens tonight - I worked pretty hard at the gym so maybe my craving will return.

As for dinner - one of my favourites now is roast chicken and steamed vegetables.
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haters gonna hate... a spread from today...

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i hate farmer carries. whatever it is i'm carrying smacks the shit out of my legs

Also, the 70lb kettlebell i ordered got here a few days ago, it's nice to have around the house :)
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Lucky you don't live in France.
Thick, solid and tight in all the right places.
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those DB's are great, I've always wanted a good adjustable set.
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what's with the nigger tattoo?
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Here's a video of me in the gym yesterday:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v4qijyxB ... r_embedded
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rofl...pathetic...
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feedback wrote:Here's a video of me in the gym yesterday:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v4qijyxB ... r_embedded
LOL
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LawL wrote:Lucky you don't live in France.
:olo:
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that was epic
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Doing 5/3/1, I like it because I can go to the gym 4 days a week instead of 3 as before. It looks easy until you realize what the last working set of your main exercise entails, you hit as many reps as you can without failure.

205 x 12, 245 x 5 bench @ 169 lbs

Doing 5/3/1 with Boring but Big is fucking insane for deadlifts and squats, because after you go nuts hitting PR's with a 5, 3, or 1rm max, you have 5 sets of 10 reps at 40-60% 1Rm to do with the same exercise.
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andyman - how much do you weigh now? And what did you weigh before you started training seriously? What's your daily caloric intake and protein intake?
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6'1", usually right at 177lbs in the morning. A year ago and also before I started I was between 180 and 185lbs. Before I left for Qatar I was usually 180-182lbs, and after switching to the paleo diet I leveled out at 177lbs but got a whole lot stronger. Still working on flexibility because I have next to none from the hips down and it greatly reduces how much I can lift as far as squats and oly lifts go, even with shoes on.

As far as daily calorie and protein intake I have no idea, but I can sit down after not eating for a few hours and gobble up a 22oz strip steak plus a bag of steamed broccoli or microwaved yam (big yam). When I make fruit smoothies it has two scoops of whey (unflavored, http://strongerfasterhealthier.com/product/12), and a dose of their fish oil which usually comes out to over a liter of stuff and I'll drink it all... holds me over for a few hours. What I eat is 90% good with some oreos thrown in because they make me happy, however when I eat is another story... I am not a good at prep so I often find myself with nothing to eat when I'm hungry, and wind up waiting until I can eat. I don't mind skipping meals but some days it's real bad like today, I've been sick all day and last night and have only eaten 3 burger patties (1/2lb before grilling ground sirloin with bacon in it) and I mega cheated with a large mocha frappuchino. BAD.... BAD ANDY.... *slap* So I've been starving all night and wanting to grill up the 3 steaks i have in the fridge, but will probably do that tomorrow morning.
basically I really try to just stick to the paleo basics: lean meat, vegetables, fruits, nuts, and seeds. There's a ton of cool recipes and what not if you like to cook, but I don't and usually just quickly make raw food. I do make almond meal pancakes from time to time because it is super easy and tasty and filling. Typically though, it's meat, veggies, and fruit.
Out in Qatar it was easy because the dining facility had everything already cooked and I at chicken breast 95% of the time plus whatever side. The HARDEST part and probably the hardest thing to cut out was sugar. That includes corn syrup, hfcs, cane syrup, brown sugar, pure cane sugar, anything that is refined sweetness was OUT for 30 days. It got easier after a while, and I was never tired throughout the day but the first week was super tough. Also cut out was all grains and cereal grains and dairy. Nowadays I drink milk from time to time, but I'll chug half a gallon of whole milk for a snack to keep something in me until it's epic meal time. Sometimes I'll mix that protein powder with milk too.

During one crazy hectic week in January, i was sleeping like 3 hours a night and hardly eating anything because of work and dipped down to 172lbs. Not only did that freak me out but it also gave me an almost meth face which is still lingering. People have noticed it too, there's just a dip under my left cheekbone which is enough to cast a shadow and it looks like i'm on crack or something :olo: i was able to get the weight back plus drop a percent of body fat in the next couple months.

That is another thing tha tI try to closely monitor because I don't have much... usually around 7%. It's gone under 6% before and that was last year where I completely burned out. Basically I'll try to keep it at 7-8% and second-handedly watch it through weight. If my weight changes enough like 2lbs up or down, and stays that way for 5 days or so, I'll go get it checked (for free, of course.. in the bod pod). It usually dips too because i'll forget to include an avocado or nuts to snack on (no homo) here and there.

so in conclusion, i know the paleo diet is the shiznit because a year ago my poops were small and heavy, and now they are massive (like 15"+), one solid piece, and float. I swear these things must weigh a good 2lbs too. I've had them wrap around the waterline 1.5 times. Almost sad to flush it too, cuz they're so beautiful.
Body weight is steady, and as long as I can keep pushing to absolute failure with back squats, I can only get better.

That's another thing.... two months of the 20rep program improved absolutely everything. Yes it hurt like hell for a while and I could barely reach to put my socks on for weeks, but after healing it was all good.




/dissertation.... why did i type so much. must be bored

edit: another thing, I gave up on trying to weigh a certain weight a while ago, after i saw that my 180-182lbs prior weight was because of the bad (aka american) diet. So don't ever try to weigh a certain number... you are going to weigh what makes you perform your best within your diet and exercise/lifestyle regimen... don't go chasing waterfalls :olo:

the left side of the picture is the left side of the face i had mentioned... it wasn't like that 4 months ago :P I have probably plumped up a tad in the last couple months of being in the states though.
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ONE MORE THING... the two people I had tagging along with me for workouts and meals out in Qatar each lost 20-25lbs in 6 weeks or so simply by eating the right foods and exercising. It was pretty awesome stuff, I was proud of them :)
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thanks for the post :)

yea I've been experimenting with a paleo approach the last few weeks. I've found that I still need my carb shakes to maintain performance though. But I eat a lot of avocados, eggs, chicken, fish, meat, seeds, berries, etc. I guess the only time I have sugar is when I have brownies and ice cream, but I use very little sugar in my brownies, and my ice cream, while heavy on cream and eggs, is low on sugar. As an athlete, I think sugar is less of a concern, but still good to keep it in check. You don't wanna dose your body with high amounts of fructose in a short period of time.

I'm finding my ideal weight for tennis is around 160-165 (I'm just shy of 5'10). Still need a shitload of calories to maintain this weight, but much easier than maintaining 170+ pounds.

What's this 20 rep program?
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feedback wrote:Here's a video of me in the gym yesterday:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v4qijyxB ... r_embedded
I can one-up that.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YuU6rPOt ... re=related
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What's "unnatural" about eating grains, which man has been eating for hundreds of thousands of years?
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http://wholehealthsource.blogspot.com/2 ... ution.html


this is a very educated dude. He ain't a fanatic either.
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jules it was this, but just the squats and without the milk
http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/irontamer5.htm

also this dude.... holy crap
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sbFGdpQD_O0
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oh man, i remember doing those back when I first started lifting. I did 15-20 reps each squat session. Crazy shit. Might revisit it at some point.
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I used to teach with this guy - he's a math teacher. Brent Mikesell - here is is setting the WR for squat back in 2003 at 517.5kg. One of the top powerlifters of all time - had no index finger on one of his hands but still pulled some big deadlifts too.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q28-Yr4YC6o
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