Man punched at Red Line stop

[seremtan]

If all the actors in this little altercation were whities, race wouldn't even play a role.

i'm not so sure about that. if it had been a bunch of chavs on an underground platform in london, more than a few people would have been racking their brains trying to think of the closest approximation of the word nigger that could apply to white people

[xer0s]

Wigger?

[seremtan]

not strong enough

[mik0rs]

Just watched the video:

Fucking lowlifes.

[LawL]

Sounds like you're trying to justify racism, are you really that stupid? Much of the troubles that face black culture in North America stems from generations of racism and oppression and breaking that cycle becomes a catch-22 when they aren't given equal access to education and job opportunities. While not entirely unique to blacks, it's certainly true for all North Americans who live below the poverty line, it's just that all blacks in North America have had to start from below that line and have to work their way up. It's awfully hard sending your kids to college when you are still wondering how you're going to put food on the table. Black culture isn't born by black people, it was created as a result of white America locking blacks in at a disadvantage for generations. It's only since the civil rights movement that blacks have been able to even think of breaking that cycle.

lol black people...

[fKd]

Nearly incomprehensible stuff.

Sounds like you're trying to justify racism, are you really that stupid? Much of the troubles that face black culture in North America stems from generations of racism and oppression and breaking that cycle becomes a catch-22 when they aren't given equal access to education and job opportunities. While not entirely unique to blacks, it's certainly true for all North Americans who live below the poverty line, it's just that all blacks in North America have had to start from below that line and have to work their way up. It's awfully hard sending your kids to college when you are still wondering how you're going to put food on the table. Black culture isn't born by black people, it was created as a result of white America locking blacks in at a disadvantage for generations. It's only since the civil rights movement that blacks have been able to even think of breaking that cycle.

[scared?]

did he died?...

[Tsakali]

lol so many 'umad' people in here. Obsidian, don't give me a history lesson bro, I know why black american culture is the way it is. One of my best friend's skin is black and we make fun of niggers together. LOL please get mad because I pulled out the 'black friend' card.

Oh and btw racism is not a cultural phenomenon...it's more complicated and ingrained than that, so good luck fighting a million year war morons.

[fKd]

"im not racist, my friend and i are racist together" good argument..

[obsidian]

btw racism is not a cultural phenomenon...

No? What is it then, a natural phenomenon?

[Tsakali]

don't be mad at me, be mad at human nature. yeah I said that. but again, I'm just the messenger.

[mrd]

a natural phenomenon?

Could be, if you take into account evolutionary lag, which states that we (as a general population) are essentially perfectly fit for life as it was 50,000 years ago. It's the same reason why sedentary lifestyles like sitting in a chair watching TV, drinking a litre a Cola and eating Kraft Dinner all day turns you into an unhealthy blob of fuckin' shite. My guess is that 50,000 years ago, encountering someone of a different skin colour would be a major and quite possibly very dangerous event. I would be surprised if there isn't some subconscious, ingrained feature of the human psyche which, in the absence of any other indicators (not very fucking likely, especially in our times), initially promotes caution in such a situation.

Of course, in today's day and age, it'd be extremely hard to go through life without realizing that skin colour means absolutely fuck all in terms of potential.

Don't get me wrong, not exactly trying to side with Tsakali, per se, but just that I think there could be some merit to his notion that it's not 100% culturally based. Humans do have a hard-on for hating shit, at times.

[duffman91]

lol so many 'umad' people in here. Obsidian, don't give me a history lesson bro, I know why black american culture is the way it is. One of my best friend's skin is black and we make fun of [LOL RACISM] together. LOL please get mad because I pulled out the 'black friend' card.

Oh and btw racism is not a cultural phenomenon...it's more complicated and ingrained than that, so good luck fighting a million year war morons.

LOL. You've never seen a black person in real life. Pics or it didn't happen. If he's your best friend you should have tons.

[Tsakali]

a natural phenomenon?

Could be, if you take into account evolutionary lag, which states that we (as a general population) are essentially perfectly fit for life as it was 50,000 years ago. It's the same reason why sedentary lifestyles like sitting in a chair watching TV, drinking a litre a Cola and eating Kraft Dinner all day turns you into an unhealthy blob of fuckin' shite. My guess is that 50,000 years ago, encountering someone of a different skin colour would be a major and quite possibly very dangerous event. I would be surprised if there isn't some subconscious, ingrained feature of the human psyche which, in the absence of any other indicators (not very fucking likely, especially in our times), initially promotes caution in such a situation.

Of course, in today's day and age, it'd be extremely hard to go through life without realizing that skin colour means absolutely fuck all in terms of potential.

Don't get me wrong, not exactly trying to side with Tsakali, per se, but just that I think there could be some merit to his notion that it's not 100% culturally based. Humans do have a hard-on for hating shit, at times.

it's not black and white (lul). both aspects play a roll. What happens is, certain cultural differences, only help compound the situation.

[obsidian]

My guess is that 50,000 years ago, encountering someone of a different skin colour would be a major and quite possibly very dangerous event. I would be surprised if there isn't some subconscious, ingrained feature of the human psyche which, in the absence of any other indicators (not very fucking likely, especially in our times), initially promotes caution in such a situation.

Nope. There was plenty of migration between groups of humans throughout history, which is why we are all still the same evolutionary species. Genetically speaking, it's actually likely for a black man to have more common genes with a white man than the white man with another white man. If there had been a discreet isolation of any particular group over a significant period of time, there would have been a split in the species like the finches on the Galapagos. Trade routes existed throughout history and while perhaps rare in certain areas, seeing someone with different coloured skin wasn't entirely unknown. Sure there were scuffles as a result of tribalism and nationalism, but the concept of a human racial hierarchy is actually a relatively new concept.

In fact, ideological racism was introduced in the 18th and 19th century as European "scientists" tried to classify humans as if trying to classify animal species. They used bias and pseudosciences like phrenology in an attempt to try to force their data to fit their hypothesis. A lot of this was more so fuelled by nationalism and political movements rather than any serious support from the true scientific community. The result of which would be the self-bolstered belief that Europeans were somehow the "civilized" superior race and everyone else would be subhuman, despite the fact that ancient civilizations in Asia, South America, Middle East and Africa have existed for centuries or millennia while Europeans were still living in mud huts (no offense). So no, racism isn't something ingrained in our biology, it's a political lie to justify oppression of another group of humans and it's a very recent blip in human history.

[mrd]

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I think perhaps you have read into my comments in the wrong way. I won't profess to know much or anything about the history of racial profiling so I won't even bother commenting on that. What you've written seems fairly plausible. I think your ideas of trade routes and such are perhaps a bit skewed for a 50,000 year time-line. While I will agree that there was enough intermingling to preserve the genetics of the species as a whole, I still think that at that time, human life was more or less based in tribes and such, and encountering another tribe was probably a big event. If you consider that evolution works by pruning out those mutations which do not fare well (and this certainly stretches a bit further back than 50,000 years), it makes sense that tribes who are innately more aggressive will fair better, simply because if they aren't, they get fucking killed. Which gives rise to the notion that all humans existing today have a deeply ingrained ability for aggression, purely to facilitate the need for self-preservation, which I'm sure most people would agree is priority numero uno. Which is mainly where my point lies: that the source of humans even being capable of thinking that profiling each other based on skin colour is a good idea is based on the fact that we're genetically predisposed to be wary of outsiders. I think this can manifest itself in a lot of ways, one of which is race or skin colour. Until you've taught or been taught otherwise, I would be willing to believe that most people are wary/frightened/cautious/skeptical/etc. of people who speak a vastly different language than their own, due to the same reasons. I can remember when I was a child I was always caught off guard by anything other than English. The more exotic it was, the more I felt on guard. Obviously in due time you learn to just accept such things, much the same as any sane person with a normal upbringing realizes that people are all the same regardless whether they are black, white, red, green, yellow, orange or turquoise.

Another problem with the whole race thing is that I think a lot of this shit is just passed on from generation to generation by stupid fucking families who never go out of their way to learn the way the world really works and just create a festering bloodline of fucking imbeciles.

Anyway... like I say, not trying to discredit what you've written, because in all honesty, it seems very likely given the way that most people think that that happened. But, like Tsakali said, I don't think it's as black and white as that and there is probably other things at play.

[xer0s]

[Tsakali]

LOL. You've never seen a black person in real life. Pics or it didn't happen. If he's your best friend you should have tons.

i live in new orleans, plus I said he's black not gay.

[LawL]

A black guy on a forum defending black culture. Never seen that before.

[MKJ]

fuck, missed this thread.

I believe what Tsakali is saying is the colour of your skin does not make you a [LOL RACISM].
which is true.

[Eraser]

Don't forget that Tsakali is greek. And greek people never deliver on their promises, they keep taking your money only to waste it a minute later and they've got no sense of humor. Oh and they smell of cheese and olives.

Which reminds me, I need to post in the occupy wallstreet thread about the FU papandreou vid.

[MKJ]

ancient civilizations in Africa have existed for centuries or millennia while Europeans were still living in mud huts (no offense]

those civilizations still live in mud huts tho
( funny cus its true )

[brisk]

[brisk]

Anyway I got a small design job in today from a regular client, who runs a series of nightclubs in the UK. One of his promoters is running a night called "Jungle Boogie", which is dedicated to black urban music. Alarm bells started ringing immediately and were cemented when he showed me the flyer they have been using to promote the night:



So to confirm, they are running a black-centric night with the name "jungle boogie", with images of African kings and wooden textures That ain't racist at all bros!

Needless to say, when I do this job later, it's gonna have a new logo, with a spear going through it, a couple of mud huts in the background and DJ Cotton Picker headlining the night

[Eraser]

Needless to say, when I do this job later, it's gonna have a new logo, with a spear going through it, a couple of mud huts in the background and DJ Cotton Picker headlining the night

Include a few stolen car radios