Higgs boson found?

[0psys]

the problem is not in the underlying facts, but the way they present it as if THIS will finally let us time travel or go faster than the speed of light, or get GKY to look good in bootcut jeans.
The real impressive feat in my eyes is the construction of the particle accelerator ... the amount of engineering and science brain flexing that is on display. This is the Antikythera Mechanism of our generation.

Again, though, I haven't seen any news sites portray it how you say it. First hit from Google brings up the BBC report: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-18702455

Seems pretty solid to me, there's nothing in there that seems to tally with what you're saying. Maybe US websites are a bit different?

Also, what's really wrong with sites acting that way? These discoveries, and the potential hyperbole they generate are the kind of stories that inspire the younger generations to follow science. If a kid now Googles Higgs Bosons as a result of a grandiose claim in the news, but finds it to be bullshit, then at the very least, something was still responsible for making a kid investigate particle physics.

I begin a physics degree at the end of this year (carrying the points over from a PPE degree), and it was stories like this that got me interested in physics in the first place.

But, like I say, I still haven't read anything that you describe on a credible news site. I'm also surprised nobody has linked an example.

[0psys]

I was under the impression that since this is what gives mass to something, it would finally bring the weak force into perspective in relation to all other forces.

It depends what kind of Higgs Boson was discovered. It could be one that conforms to the Standard Model, in which case particle physics would simply be more complete, or, it could exhibit unexpected behavior which would suggest that something else is out there. If it's one that conforms to the current Standard Model, then we know nothing new, because the mathematics that predicated it 50 years ago is simply confirmed as being right, meaning we've always known about its behavior in relation to other particles.

[Tsakali]

getting the new generation excited is all good and well, but you can't have a factual article induce high levels of layman interest without being in risk of sensationalism. Also, I don't think any site has precisely used any of the 3 claims I mentioned but they 'sound' that way, and that's the kind of shit people start thinking about.

here for instance:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/ ... esday.html

you'll find the quote:
"The Higgs boson is regarded as the key to understanding the universe"
Which is sensationalizing to say the least. There are a few other gems like that on most articles I've come up to.

you might say this is not a reputable site, but these are the types of sites most people get their info from.

[Κracus]

Yeah but it's not confirmed this is the Higgs Bozon. Even if it was, it'd be decades or longer before anything materialized from that knowledge. The theory of its existence has been around awhile, we're not learning anything new, we're just confirming what we think we know and right now, they've confirmed a new state at 125 GeV that's consistent with the Higgs but as far as confirming it's the Higgs bozon we're not there yet.

[0psys]

getting the new generation excited is all good and well, but you can't have a factual article induce high levels of layman interest without being in risk of sensationalism. Also, I don't think any site has precisely used any of the 3 claims I mentioned but they 'sound' that way, and that's the kind of shit people start thinking about.

here for instance:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/ ... esday.html

you'll find the quote:
"The Higgs boson is regarded as the key to understanding the universe"
Which is sensationalizing to say the least. There are a few other gems like that on most articles I've come up to.

you might say this is not a reputable site, but these are the types of sites most people get their info from.

While the article is slightly sensational, there's not much hyperbole in the quote you selected. It is ONE of the keys to understanding the universe at the sub-atomic level.

Please don't think I'm defending the Daily Mail, though, I'd slit my wrists before I defended that site.

Also, the comments on that article are LOL

[GONNAFISTYA]

Man this sys0p douche loves to argue with people who aren't really arguing with him.

Perhaps his court-mandated anger management counselor would have something in their notes about this?

[0psys]

Yeah but it's not confirmed this is the Higgs Bozon. Even if it was, it'd be decades or longer before anything materialized from that knowledge. The theory of its existence has been around awhile, we're not learning anything new, we're just confirming what we think we know and right now, they've confirmed a new state at 125 GeV that's consistent with the Higgs but as far as confirming it's the Higgs bozon we're not there yet.

It's something ridiculous like 1 in 2,000,000 chance of it being something else though. At the very least, all the CERN naysayers can no longer say it was a waste of money and effort.

[Tsakali]

to get such a project going with a ROI of intellectual enlightenment simply, is a very impressive feat. It almost gives me hope for the future of humanity.

Granted , there will probably be money generated for universities and other institutions through faculty accolades, but this ain't your typical 'business major' game plan.

[0psys]

Definitely. They're talking about building a bigger one for some other experiment, but I'd like to see them get funding in this climate.

Probably decades away.

[Tsakali]

what other experiment?

[seremtan]

here for instance:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/ ... esday.html

"god particle"

the right-hand sidebar is full of stuff that's more the daily mail's level

[MKJ]

Ziggs boson

[GONNAFISTYA]

lol...Stephen Hawking lost a $100 bet as he didn't think they'd find the particle.

Link

In an interview with the BBC Wednesday, Hawking, who has motor neurone disease, said: "This is an important result and should earn Peter Higgs the Nobel Prize.

"But it is a pity in a way because the great advances in physics have come from experiments that gave results we didn't expect.

"For this reason I had a bet with Gordon Kane of Michigan University that the Higgs particle wouldn't be found. It seems I have just lost $100."

Now...if we can only create some crazy experiment that confirms String Theory/M-Theory as being correct and we can stop for cake.

[Κracus]

I'm calling it now, in the future they'll discover the Higgs Boson and what we perceive as consciousness are tied together.

[EtUL]

I don't know how you can treat it like it's no big deal because "it's what we knew already" when a very real scenario was them not finding this particle...

[U4EA]

midichlorians

[Transient]

lol...Stephen Hawking lost a $100 bet as he didn't think they'd find the particle.

Higgs Bosowned.

[Eraser]

Maybe GKY and Tsakali should stop reading their daily digest tabloits for news about scientific discoveries.

[GONNAFISTYA]

I'm not reading tabloids. Just do a Google search for "God Particle" and you'll find almost 500 million results. Dunno...maybe some of you can't recognize sensationalism as easily as others.

And for some reason some of you idiots think that because I feel the reporting of the discovery is a bit daft that by default I think the discovery itself is meaningless. Priceless.

[HM-PuFFNSTuFF]

I'm calling it now, in the future they'll discover the Higgs Boson and what we perceive as consciousness are tied together.

[EtUL]

I'm not reading tabloids. Just do a Google search for "God Particle" and you'll find almost 500 million results. Dunno...maybe some of you can't recognize sensationalism as easily as others.

And for some reason some of you idiots think that because I feel the reporting of the discovery is a bit daft that by default I think the discovery itself is meaningless. Priceless.

You were dismissive of it in saying:

All this does is confirm what we already know.

Which is really stupid because "we" didn't know it, it was predicted by models. The model could have been wrong.

Are you getting dumber?

[GONNAFISTYA]

lol

I wasn't dismissive of it. You claimed I was. You're the only person that has. And here I am yet again telling you your interpretation of my post was wrong, yet you ignore it anyways.

Talk about a sweetly retarded strawman with a shit-ton of moron thrown in the mix.

[xer0s]

Am I the only one missing how to add the "lol" header to our posts?

[losCHUNK]

Well if they didnt find it they wouldve kept looking, sounds like they were searching for something that they knew was already there and confirmed what they already know.

Based on the evidence provided I say the fatties correct, and you should all line up and offer an apology one by one, like those ants that went marching.

[GONNAFISTYA]

Am I the only one missing how to add the "lol" header to our posts?

Shouldn't you be cowering in your basement worried a black hole will swallow you and your new bride?