Oh hey...another one

[GONNAFISTYA]

[GONNAFISTYA]

And gramps, since you're here, one more comment before I jump into Skyrim...

All those polite, thoughtful, insightful things sys0p has said regarding Americans, their attitudes towards people and his comments about how baffling it can be about American's feeling towards guns are 100% true. The fact is, I wouldn't just say that I agree with them (because I do) but I bring it up because I've actually argued this topic with you, NS and Torm in the exact same, respectful manner. And while I've used different words to what sys0p has used, I pretty much said the same thing. Don't forget we've argued this since 2000.

But back then, even with the respectful, thoughtful approach that I tried before (and even earlier in this thread) was met with "lol ur st00pid" rebuttals from you and another Yosemite Sams such as yourself. I won't be trying that approach anymore. So in the nicest way possible, please take the butthurt you and NS have had about my dumping on your flag and cram it up your shitter.

P.S. I can see you reading this.

[YourGrandpa]

Gnight sweet/fat prince. Enjoy your immersion into fantasy land. We can only hope (for your sake and the surrounding community) that your downward spiral into ignorance and hate doesn't compel you to inflict your fantasy land on reality.

Last word?

[mrd]

Something tells me that GFY won't be brandishing a sword and casting spells in a full suit of armor anytime soon. That being said, there was a guy who was arrested earlier this year around here for wielding a fucking sword on public transit...

[mrd]

An honest question for Americans who are pro-gun ownership: Do you think that the whole right-to-bear-arms is a tired bit of law? By that I mean to ask, do you think that, in this day and age, it's not as relevant or necessary as it was back when it was originally written? From what I understand, it's mainly there to provide the public with a means to overthrow a shitty government (by the way, what the fuck are you waiting for?) I understand that removing that from the Constitution would basically equate to pulling teeth. However, it still leaves me wondering if a lot of the problems America has these days with gun violence aren't at least in part due to the fact that a lot of people cling irrationally to this bit of legislation. I'm not sure I've ever read a contemporary justification for this line of the constitution. Granted, there is certainly an element of heritage to the laws, but for fucks sake... it's 2012, not the 18th century.

EDIT: I suppose this really just goes back to laws surrounding gun ownership, which I think need an overhaul. I mean, buddy down in Colorado ordered 6,000 rounds of ammo over the 'net, is that right? And somehow this didn't set off any flags, either digitally or in someone's mind who was filling his order. "Gee, I wonder what this kid needs 6,000 bullets for?"

[YourGrandpa]

I think legal gun ownership could use an overhaul. I don't think that every legal U.S. citizen should automatically be entitled to gun ownership. Just as I don't think everyone is entitled to drive. There should be a series of tests. Something that measures capability and mental stability. If you pass, you can buy a gun. If you don't pass. You get further education and instruction. If you still can't pass, you can't own a firearm.

[mrd]

Right. Seems fairly logical. So then you have to ask, why is this not in place now? I can't help but think that non-Americans' bewilderment at American gun laws isn't partially fueled by the fact that nothing seems to be changing. You've outlined a pretty good (general, but good) criteria for gun ownership, one that seems sane (assuming that guns aren't going anywhere, which I've already said - don't hold your breath), and yet it's not being used? It's a shame that something like this is not easier to change. It seems like this is a place where heavy corporate lobbying can really squelch sane government practice. I admit I haven't read into gun-lobbying but I'd be willing to bet that the manufacturers spend a pretty penny on the politicians.

[mrd]

What about price? I just did a quick search for "guns sale colorado" (random state) and I'm seeing guns for less than $1000. Used, granted, but still. A long range, precision-machined killing machine for less than $1000. Fuck off, my electric guitar was $2500, and I would still only consider it a mid-high range instrument. Maybe if they charged, say, $2000 for a pistol instead of a few hundred bucks. Then you could siphon off some of that cash and force the manufacturers to help pay for shooting lessons and gun theory. Just throwing ideas around...

I'm generally opposed to guns, but I also like to stay realistic. Realistically, guns will not be going anywhere anytime soon. I think it's more productive to manage what you have rather than anything else. I'm of the opinion that a trained, sane person could handle a gun appropriately in most cases. Certainly, rashness can ruin the best of us, but to consider rashness in the big picture would be unfair. Like I said, a shame that stuff like this is not easier to change.

[YourGrandpa]

The NRA appeals to the lowest common denominator with regards to gun law. Unfortunately that's because you have lobbyists for the extreme opposites trying to shut down all aspects of gun ownership. ((There is a happy medium.)) But because of the extremists on both sides you'll never arrive at a responsible resolution.

[YourGrandpa]

What about price? I just did a quick search for "guns sale colorado" (random state) and I'm seeing guns for less than $1000. Used, granted, but still. A long range, precision-machined killing machine for less than $1000. Fuck off, my electric guitar was $2500, and I would still only consider it a mid-high range instrument. Maybe if they charged, say, $2000 for a pistol instead of a few hundred bucks. Then you could siphon off some of that cash and force the manufacturers to help pay for shooting lessons and gun theory. Just throwing ideas around...

I'm generally opposed to guns, but I also like to stay realistic. Realistically, guns will not be going anywhere anytime soon. I think it's more productive to manage what you have rather than anything else. I'm of the opinion that a trained, sane person could handle a gun appropriately in most cases. Certainly, rashness can ruin the best of us, but to consider rashness in the big picture would be unfair. Like I said, a shame that stuff like this is not easier to change.

Pricing fire arms out of reach isn't the solution... Licensing and certification is a more reasonable solution.

[mrd]

Certainly, I meant in collaboration with that. A sticky situation no matter how you slice it.

[GONNAFISTYA]

Something tells me that GFY won't be brandishing a sword and casting spells in a full suit of armor anytime soon. That being said, there was a guy who was arrested earlier this year around here for wielding a fucking sword on public transit...

lol was he wearing leather armour with the enchantment upgrade?

[seremtan]

yeah and it was a diamond sword with bane of arthropods IV

not much use against commuters but probably quite handy in the bathroom

[Nightshade]

I was staying in Pasadena, but drove down into East LA and parked up for a few hours to walk around Compton and Watts, then up to Inglewood, and came back through South Central. About 5 hours walking in total, and even there, in what you'd think was the worst place in the world, I met cool people who just wanted to talk. Yeah it was awesome; just a continual reeducation in what it means to have real manners. You don't get that over here.

I don't deny I wouldn't become familiar, or whatever, but that's really my main issue. The fact that you, or any other American is so cool with owning such a destructive force just boggles my mind. There's literally no difference between owning that and a cache of rocket launchers and mortar bombs. You may not live in a civilised society, but you're a civilised person, and to me, that means you should find the concept of owning a gun quite abhorrent.

The way it is over here is that anyone who has a gun is a policeman or a gangster. If you stay out of the way of both, the chances of you encountering one are infinitely small. That's not the case where you are. In America, there are hundreds of stories yearly of otherwise law-abiding people getting their Dirty Harry on over a stupid argument or crossed word. It seems that a gun, much like religion, can make otherwise completely decent people do terrible, terrible things.

And where you say about "until we fix all the underlying issues etc..", I'd say it was better to end that with "we should ban all guns, because we haven't shown that we're collectively responsible enough to own them, yet."

I don't find gun ownership abhorrent, I find criminal misuse of firearms to be abhorrent. I feel that there's merit in your last statement, but it's just completely unreasonable, no way it's ever going to happen. Plus, I really don't think that the majority should lose their rights based on the conduct of a small minority.

[seremtan]

ban militaries, save more lives

[Psyche911]

http://www.cnn.com/2012/08/31/justice/n ... ?hpt=hp_t3

Another one...

AK 47, the perfect supermarket accessory.

[plained]

i spec that show Auction Hunters ey

Al and Ton always find all kinds of guns in thier storage lockers

they almost always shoot them at something in super slow mo ey

love that!

[GONNAFISTYA]

LOL Frenchies

What should have been an historic moment in Quebec — the election of its first woman premier — was tainted Tuesday night as an angry year of discontent reached its nadir....

...Police confirmed later that two people had been shot — one fatally — and a third had been treated in hospital for shock. Instead of rushing into the main hall, the attacker then paused to start a fire. A door to the venue erupted after being doused with accelerant, just metres from where Marois spoke....

...Lieut. Guy Lapointe of the Quebec Provincial Police said investigators have so far been unable to establish whether Marois was a possible target, but because the possibility exists, the provincial force is ”taking change of the investigation.”

Lapointe said two weapons were seized at the scene, adding that the life of the second shooting victim taken to hospital in critical condition was no longer in danger.

lol this province is fucking insane.

[MKJ]

fucking America.

[Tsakali]

lol canada can't even take credit for their own achievements.

They'll need to step it up.

[Underpants?]

did i mention breckenridge brewery's vanilla porter? well let me do that right now... not the breckenridge location, either, the Denver one, somehow it's creamier...? High altitude brewing or something?

[seremtan]

so how many american olympians hailed from the mile high city? you'd think their higher red blood cell count would give them an edge

[mrd]

Had two shootings around my area recently (outside Vancouver.) Both look like gang related stuff. Canada isn't immune to this shit either, but we seem to be fortunately lacking in the "random fuck goes nuts and murders 50 random people" department.

[seremtan]

there's only going to be more of these rampage/postal attacks in future

i blame capitalism

[LawL]

...and to me, that means you should find the concept of owning a gun quite abhorrent.

Agreed 100%