And another one

[HM-PuFFNSTuFF]

A gun isn't insurance. You're ten times more likely to use it on a family member or yourself than you are on an intruder.

I'm not going to kill a family member or myself.

No one ever thinks it'll be them. Those stats don't lie.

[YourGrandpa]

Listen. You live in a different part of the world, with a different up-bringing and a different line of thinking. Because you are different doesn't make your ideals right. I'm not saying I'm right either. I'm of a different opinion. My opinion on guns is clearly WAY different than yours. I have a constitutional right as an American to posses fire arms. I also know that guns aren't going away in America. I subscribe to the notion that guns don't kill people, people kill people and bans won't fix this problem here. Education is the only way we will affect change.

You don't agree? Sorry.

We can all continue to post link after link with stats that support our opinions. Actually you can. But be assured it's not going to change anything. Furthermore, continuing this conversation is also pointless. America is a LONG way away from that blissful paradise you're so desperately seeking.

Carry on.

[seremtan]

a grenade launcher for home defence

that's a Pyrrhic victory of epic proportions in the making

[HM-PuFFNSTuFF]

We can all continue to post link after link with stats that support our opinions. Actually you can.

Right. I can but you can't because reality doesn't support your opinion.

[HomerJ]

The argument that we shouldn't have tighter gun control laws because people will still find ways to kill people is a ridiculous, archaic argument that holds no water in modern day society. You may as well say we shouldn't have speed limits because people will still speed. Guns are tools designed for killing and they only become more efficient tools as technology advances. There is no other instrument widely available to society that make it as easy to kill another human being as firearms. And not only that, unlike knives or tools that have practical uses to justify their existence and availability to society, guns only exist to kill.

I'm not a stranger to firearms, I've been trained to use handguns effectively and have fired rifles for sport. But they exist for no other reason than to kill, and if you don't see a problem with that, you're kidding yourself.

[scared?]

Someone ban this moron gramps before he murders his family with a gun...

[EtUL]

A gun isn't insurance. You're ten times more likely to use it on a family member or yourself than you are on an intruder.

I'm not going to kill a family member or myself. So how does this apply to me?

Do you see that nearly every person who killed a family member with a gun would have said this very same thing sometime before it happened? Or do you think that "criminals" get guns with the sole purpose of shooting their family?

[scared?]

gramps will either kill a family member or himself in the next 10 years...GUARENTEED!...

[YourGrandpa]

Do you see that nearly every person who killed a family member with a gun would have said this very same thing sometime before it happened? Or do you think that "criminals" get guns with the sole purpose of shooting their family?

Do you think everyone who owns a gun kills people?

FFS.

[scared?]

If u own a gun u are 4.5x as likely to get shot than someone who doesn't. Your insurance sucks...

[YourGrandpa]

gramps will either kill a family member or himself in the next 10 years...GUARENTEED!...

Lets bet your wife's net worth in 10 years against mine on this.

Though she will likely be the one killing herself.

[scared?]

Bitter moron?...

[losCHUNK]

Do you see that nearly every person who killed a family member with a gun would have said this very same thing sometime before it happened? Or do you think that "criminals" get guns with the sole purpose of shooting their family?

Do you think everyone who owns a gun kills people?

FFS.

Kinda answered your own question ?, shit happens and more often with guns about

[HM-PuFFNSTuFF]

95000 + people shot in the USA so far this year.

[EtUL]

Do you see that nearly every person who killed a family member with a gun would have said this very same thing sometime before it happened? Or do you think that "criminals" get guns with the sole purpose of shooting their family?

Do you think everyone who owns a gun kills people?

FFS.

That's not what I said nor was it my point. I understand that you don't plan on shooting yourself or your family, and likewise most gun owners don't do either.

My point is that saying that you aren't going to do that is pretty pointless, because everyone who ended up shooting a family member would have said precisely the same thing. No one plans on it, yet it happens.

[YourGrandpa]

You're making absolutely no sense... Well I guess I'll skip driving ever again because I'm gonna die in a car crash no matter how careful or responsible of a driver I am. It's predestine because I own a car.

[YourGrandpa]

95000 + people shot in the USA so far this year.

Number of deaths for leading causes of death:

Heart disease: 599,413
Cancer: 567,628
Chronic lower respiratory diseases: 137,353
Stroke (cerebrovascular diseases): 128,842
Accidents (unintentional injuries): 118,021
Alzheimer's disease: 79,003
Diabetes: 68,705
Influenza and Pneumonia: 53,692
Nephritis, nephrotic syndrome, and nephrosis: 48,935
Intentional self-harm (suicide): 36,909

Guns are missing from this one...

[EtUL]

Was what I was saying clear to anyone else because I don't understand how gramps is getting

You're making absolutely no sense... Well I guess I'll skip driving ever again because I'm gonna die in a car crash no matter how careful or responsible of a driver I am. It's predestine because I own a car.

from what I typed. I'm not sure how to rephrase that point.

[4days]

95000 + people shot in the USA so far this year.

Number of deaths for leading causes of death:

Heart disease: 599,413
Cancer: 567,628
Chronic lower respiratory diseases: 137,353
Stroke (cerebrovascular diseases): 128,842
Accidents (unintentional injuries): 118,021
Alzheimer's disease: 79,003
Diabetes: 68,705
Influenza and Pneumonia: 53,692
Nephritis, nephrotic syndrome, and nephrosis: 48,935
Intentional self-harm (suicide): 36,909

Guns are missing from this one...

Bing Crosby "White Christmas" 1942 Christmas, Pop 50m
Elton John "Candle in the Wind 1997"/"Something About the Way You Look Tonight" 1997 Pop 33m
Bing Crosby "Silent Night" 1935 Christmas, Pop 30m
Bill Haley & His Comets "Rock Around the Clock" 1954 Rock & Roll 25m
Elvis Presley "It's Now or Never" 1960 Pop 22m
USA for Africa "We Are the World" 1985 Pop 20m
The Ink Spots "If I Didn't Care" 1939 Doo-wop 19m
Baccara "Yes Sir, I Can Boogie" 1977 Disco 16m
Celine Dion "My Heart Will Go On" 1997 Pop 15m

omg, they're missing from this one too. gramps must be right, case closed.

[YourGrandpa]

Was what I was saying clear to anyone else because I don't understand how gramps is getting
from what I typed. I'm not sure how to rephrase that point.

I understood what you said and I don't agree with your assessment of gun owners. Your claim is that because I own a gun I am more likely to kill someone. I say your assumption is nonsensical rubbish. I'm no more likely to kill someone or myself because I own gun than if I own a car.

Do you understand what you typed?

[HM-PuFFNSTuFF]

95000 + people shot in the USA so far this year.

Number of deaths for leading causes of death:

Heart disease: 599,413
Cancer: 567,628
Chronic lower respiratory diseases: 137,353
Stroke (cerebrovascular diseases): 128,842
Accidents (unintentional injuries): 118,021
Alzheimer's disease: 79,003
Diabetes: 68,705
Influenza and Pneumonia: 53,692
Nephritis, nephrotic syndrome, and nephrosis: 48,935
Intentional self-harm (suicide): 36,909

Guns are missing from this one...

No they aren't. See accidents and suicides.

[YourGrandpa]

I'm stupid, case closed.

My point wasn't that PuFF's stat, although all encompassing (suicides, accidents, intentional) was not correct. My point was a lot more people die from many other things. Actual gun shooting deaths are around 30,000. But because they come from guns are they somehow worse or more preventable than other causes? Get real...

[HM-PuFFNSTuFF]

I'm stupid, case closed.

My point wasn't that PuFF's stat, although all encompassing (suicides, accidents, intentional) was not correct. My point was a lot more people die from many other things. Actual gun shooting deaths are around 30,000. But because they come from guns are they somehow worse or more preventable than other causes? Get real...

Well that's a pretty dumb point.

[YourGrandpa]

Well that's a pretty dumb point.

To someone with your agenda, I'm sure it is.

[losCHUNK]

Was what I was saying clear to anyone else because I don't understand how gramps is getting
from what I typed. I'm not sure how to rephrase that point.

I understood what you said and I don't agree with your assessment of gun owners. Your claim is that because I own a gun I am more likely to kill someone. I say your assumption is nonsensical rubbish. I'm no more likely to kill someone or myself because I own gun than if I own a car.

Do you understand what you typed?

You are more likely to kill someone though, as a gun owner you are included in the figures that puff posted. You and your gun are more likely to kill your family or others by simply having it in the house or living in a state that's all yeehaw, as opposed to living somewhere more normal without any guns.

That's without going into anything 'accidental' so no need for the car comparison, which is retarded as the differences can be listed in a book as thick as your brain - cars are pretty much required and are actually designed to prevent deaths from accidents.