And another one

[shaft]

You live in Kansas. shut up.

And? This place has gotten insane in the last 12 months. I dont live in some tiny small town where meth is the only problem. Crime here is out of control and people who actually know me understand how bad its gotten.

Seriously. Its not like some crazy badlands from a war movie. But theres more and more shootings, Break ins that result in home owners being murdered, and kids being raped and left for dead.

Its flat out insane. Its worse than when I lived in central vegas as a kid. I felt safer in the ghetto there than here. But what would you know, you dont fucking live here.

In the last week.

Grocery store shooting, 2 cops dead.
Shooting outside an grade school near the girls work.
Shooting up a main drag near stores between 2 cars

Thats "reported" crime. Not counting single shootings that didnt make news, or what have you. Out of control sir.

Ok Kracus. Why don't you show us all some per capita violent crime statistic compared to other states. Kansas is nowhere near the top. ever. Stop acting like you live in the wild west.

[Transient]

Yay!

[HM-PuFFNSTuFF]

http://www.motherjones.com/politics/201 ... -shootings

Five cases commonly cited as a rationale for arming Americans don't stand up to scrutiny.

[menkent]

lolz. they're onto you, gramps:
http://www.cnn.com/2012/12/20/opinion/w ... index.html

[LawL]

lol that article is very appropriate.

[HM-PuFFNSTuFF]

And the NRA 'press conference' proves these people are bat-shit crazy, completely removed from reality.

So weak, they won't even take questions from the press.

[menkent]

what the fuck.
i read somewhere that there are 15000 school districts in the country. assume an average of only 10 schools per district (my district has 106, FYI) and pay these NRA armed guards only $20k per year since it's a pretty fucking stupid job to sit by the front door with a loaded AR15. that's $3billion per year. Grover Norquist better publicly sodomize any republican stupid enough to even consider supporting this untenable and crass attempt to sell more guns.

edit: the googles tell me there are under 100k public schools in the country, which would put the price tag at a mere $2billion assuming private schools and day cares are on their own. seems like a bargain at that price

[EtUL]

I seen someone do some quick math and found we could pay to insure every uninsured child twice over for the cost of putting war dropouts in the schools.

[GONNAFISTYA]

lol @ armed teachers and military-style security at schools...

Certainly does sound like a horrible place to raise your kids.

[YourGrandpa]

And the killing continues.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/12/2 ... 46878.html

[U4EA]

Freedom in Peril, by the NRA, 2006

[mrd]

So I'm suppose to maintain a certain decorum while discussing such topics with dismissive ass holes, that are only looking for another way to agitate the conversation and calling me a moron? Yeah, okay. I'll work on that.

Why, yes, actually. You might be surprised at how people take to you when you show grace and tolerance in the face of what you consider adversity. Nobody is being dismissive here. This is a fucking ten page topic. That is the polar opposite of dismissive. Dismissive is if people come in here and call you a dumb cunt then never say another word. The fact that people are actively arguing with you, a week later, should show you otherwise.

You seem to be somewhat lacking in knowledge at the nature of irrational behavior in humans, such as in people who go into hysterics or literal fits of rage. Both of these states are noted for the severe lack of foresight and lack of empathy they cause the afflicted person. They become extremely apathetic. People who are raging (I'm using this in a strict sense) have zero sense of guilt at the time. Most often they won't even remember what happened during the episode. This is a time when adrenaline is the #1 hormone in your blood and the only thought in your mind is fight to kill, to survive. Adrenaline is the same hormone, released under different circumstances, that allowed a woman to lift a 3,500 pound car off her son after it had fallen off the stands, when he was working underneath it. This was back in the 70s sometime I believe. Think about that for a second. Three thousand and five hundred pounds. She lifted it and held it in the air for several seconds while her neighbours ran over and dragged her son out. I don't know about you, but adrenaline seems like a very powerful hormone to me.

Rage is 100% irrational. 100%. Same goes for someone who goes into a hysterical fit of emotional turmoil. Possibly rage can be worse, but I would still argue that someone who is emotionally hysterical would likely be forgetful, apathetic and lacking remorse.

Strangely, normal every day people can be triggered into these states. Prolonged or intense short-term stress (tragic death of a loved one, relationship stress, etc.) can cause people to mentally break down and release energy in the only way they see fit, which is to physically lash out in blind fits. Rage and hysteric fits can be classified as a failure to cope, much in the same way suicide is the ultimate failure to cope with life. You do not necessarily have to be a "head-case" or someone who is clinically depressed or otherwise diagnosed with an ailment to go into a fit of rage or go hysterical. Granted, it's pretty rare, and a person would have to be subjected to some crazy shit, but it does happen.

When guns are available, it makes it easier for someone in a fit of rage to have lethal power. Rage, apathy and lethal power are a bad mix. Even if the guns aren't immediately available to someone, such as if they were locked in a safe, it's not hard to imagine someone in a fit of rage grabbing a chair or something and using it to intimidate someone into opening the safe. People in fits of rage do fucking insane shit. They will fucking rip a door off the wall and throw it at you. You can shoot them and unless you hit them in a vital organ, they will keep going. You have to understand how humans evolved. Rage is an evolved trait that loaned cavemen the means to fight off adversity under EXTREME duress. Invasion of your band or a threat to your food source. Back then, it made sense. Back then, it literally was kill to survive. Now, it does not made sense. There is a quote, I believe by E. O. Wilson - "The problem with humanity is that we have paleolithic emotions, medieval institutions and god-like technology." Think about that for a sec. There is a term called evolutionary lag, which states that it takes 50,000 years for a dominant and beneficial gene to propagate through the entire species. That means, we humans today are more or less perfectly adapted for life on Earth 50,000 years ago. Isn't that kind of fucked up?

Hence, coupling lethal firearms with organisms (humans) that can go into this state (rage or hysterics) is simply folly. It is short-sighted and unwise. It is stupid. It is a textbook definition of stupidity. That you possess the same brain, in terms of humans as a species, as other folk who have cracked the code of evolution and determined our past while at the same time lacking the insight to understand how your clinging to your guns is utterly moronic is frankly a stain and a shame on the human race.

Do some reading. Seriously. You might be amazed at what has occurred outside your shell of guns, American and construction.

[YourGrandpa]

Dismissive was quite accurate. It doesn't matter how long this thread has gone on. Many of the posters in this thread couldn't give a shit about my position. Even in your long diatribe about evolution and our need for firearms, you are dismissive. You wrap up your speech with how stupid it is to posses firearms and how I need to read more. Completely dismissing my position.

Look. You can have your fantasies about a gun free public and cling to your hatred of anything else. Reality is something way different. I live in America where guns don't have the same stigmas they have in other parts of the world. They are also a basis of our constitution. Guns have been pumped with little regulation into the private sector at a rate that every American could conceivably own one or more. Reality says that guns aren't going ANYWHERE for a very long time. To suggest any type of ban or collection is a waste of time. I'm suggesting a reasonable modification to the gun laws that would require people to become more educated.

Please understand that I don't require your explanation on how the body/mind works. I get it. You should also know that I am not absent of your thoughts and concerns. I'm a realist. I think we need to act and act with something that has a chance of working...

[LawL]

I'm a realist.

rofl...

[YourGrandpa]

rofl...

ROFLOFLOFL...

[menkent]

saying that gun-safety education is a solution is wishful thinking. what of these mass-shootings was committed by someone who didn't understand the dangers posed by firearms? or the child of someone who didn't? you want your guns because you think you're special and deserve power over people around you. everything else is rationalization. the 2nd amendment is a complete joke. you may as well have the right to bear a sling shot if you think that you and your tricked out shotgun would stop a modern military force in the event of an armed revolution.

[YourGrandpa]

YOU FUCKING TOOL... I didn't say it was a SOLUTION. Try reading a bit. It's tiresome explaining things over and over.

[scared?]

Maybe u should take a nap?...

[plained]

YOU FUCKING TOOL... I didn't say it was a SOLUTION. Try reading a bit. It's tiresome explaining things over and over.

whoa there ey i am sensing another blast of holiday stress!!

go shoot off some steam ey j/k

no really its good to define the stress, that way the understanding will play out to the deflation ey

[YourGrandpa]

Maybe u should take a nap?...

Don't you have a wall that needs some more screw-ups?

[YourGrandpa]

Murrr, gasp, drool...

Whoa, I used capital letters to exaggerate my point.... I can only assume that using a keyboard is something you find stressful.

[losCHUNK]

Must be stressful living in a country where you feel the need to arm yourself

[LawL]

rofl...

ROFLOFLOFL...

I agree, the thought of you as a "realist" sure is hilarious.

[YourGrandpa]

The fact you're refreshing this thread every 2 seconds is way more hysterical.

[Transient]

How many times have YOU posted in this thread?