Huge nationwide NSA surveillance program leaked

[seremtan]

yep

[Don Carlos]

My favourite part in all this is the fact that America have said they thought that China would have handed him over to improve relations between the two countries.

Yeah, because they were always going to do that after finding out that America has been hacking their computers and spying on them

They are more than happy with America moving all their manufacturing over there and taking the money. They don't need friends, just the money to be the worlds next and only super power.

[GONNAFISTYA]

There still is no discussion in most media about the horrible implications of his revelations. All the headlines are about the leaker, and not what he leaked.

Pretty fucking retarded and such a wasted opportunity. What do you expect from another species of shit-slinging monkeys?

[MKJ]

There still is no discussion in most media about the horrible implications of his revelations. All the headlines are about the leaker, and not what he leaked.

Pretty fucking retarded and such a wasted opportunity. What do you expect from another species of shit-slinging monkeys?

An excellent point

[seremtan]

and for that matter, where's the discussion about how we got here? full spectrum surveillance in the name of a 'war' no one has any idea how to end, conducted by throwing as much gasoline as possible on to every fire

seriously, read Dirty Wars by Jeremy Scahill to find out how fucked up it all is

[seremtan]

There still is no discussion in most media about the horrible implications of his revelations. All the headlines are about the leaker, and not what he leaked.

Pretty fucking retarded and such a wasted opportunity. What do you expect from another species of shit-slinging monkeys?

An excellent point

are you being sarcastic, duuude?

[MKJ]

Not in the slightest

[Tsakali]

They dont talk about it because
A: prolly specificaly directed not to
B: audience are morons and are imterested in him more than the subject, so they just feed the mouth thats open.

[MKJ]

Definitely B.

[seremtan]

maybe you should steal that deadly virus those Dutch scientists developed and unleash it at airports like in Twelve Monkeys. OR ARE YOU ALL TALK AND NO WALK

[U4EA]

Lessons from Japan's response to Aum Shinrikyo:

Yet what's as remarkable as Aum's potential for mayhem is how little of it, on balance, they actually caused. Don't misunderstand me: Aum's crimes were horrific, not merely the terrible subway gassing but their long history of murder, intimidation, extortion, fraud, and exploitation. What they did was unforgivable, and the human cost, devastating. But at no point did Aum Shinrikyo represent an existential threat to Japan or its people. The death toll of Aum was several dozen; again, a terrible human cost, but not an existential threat. At no time was the territorial integrity of Japan threatened. At no time was the operational integrity of the Japanese government threatened. At no time was the day-to-day operation of the Japanese economy meaningfully threatened. The threat to the average Japanese citizen was effectively nil.

Just as important was what the Japanese government and people did not do. They didn't panic. They didn't make sweeping changes to their way of life. They didn't implement a vast system of domestic surveillance. They didn't suspend basic civil rights. They didn't begin to capture, torture, and kill without due process. They didn't, in other words, allow themselves to be terrorized. Instead, they addressed the threat. They investigated and arrested the cult's leadership. They tried them in civilian courts and earned convictions through due process. They buried their dead. They mourned. And they moved on. In every sense, it was a rational, adult, mature response to a terrible terrorist act, one that remained largely in keeping with liberal democratic ideals.

[Transient]

+1 for the panty-sniffers

[mrd]

Lessons from Japan's response to Aum Shinrikyo:

Yet what's as remarkable as Aum's potential for mayhem is how little of it, on balance, they actually caused. Don't misunderstand me: Aum's crimes were horrific, not merely the terrible subway gassing but their long history of murder, intimidation, extortion, fraud, and exploitation. What they did was unforgivable, and the human cost, devastating. But at no point did Aum Shinrikyo represent an existential threat to Japan or its people. The death toll of Aum was several dozen; again, a terrible human cost, but not an existential threat. At no time was the territorial integrity of Japan threatened. At no time was the operational integrity of the Japanese government threatened. At no time was the day-to-day operation of the Japanese economy meaningfully threatened. The threat to the average Japanese citizen was effectively nil.

Just as important was what the Japanese government and people did not do. They didn't panic. They didn't make sweeping changes to their way of life. They didn't implement a vast system of domestic surveillance. They didn't suspend basic civil rights. They didn't begin to capture, torture, and kill without due process. They didn't, in other words, allow themselves to be terrorized. Instead, they addressed the threat. They investigated and arrested the cult's leadership. They tried them in civilian courts and earned convictions through due process. They buried their dead. They mourned. And they moved on. In every sense, it was a rational, adult, mature response to a terrible terrorist act, one that remained largely in keeping with liberal democratic ideals.

Whoa whoa whoa... whoa... are you implying that America should act in a mature, adult manner?

[Eraser]

Been saying this since 9/11: judging by all the so-called security measures taken since that fatal day, the terrorists have already won. They can sit back and relax in their caves and let the fearful western morons do the rest.

[losCHUNK]

It's not just our freedoms, it's other countries too. 9/11 was looking for a reaction from us lot and we delivered :/

On the flip side I think Britain would have done something similar to this anyway, we don't need silly excuses such as terrorism to fuck human rights laws in the arse

[seremtan]

Been saying this since 9/11: judging by all the so-called security measures taken since that fatal day, the terrorists have already won.

this

[losCHUNK]

Minister questions legality of mass tapping of calls and internet and demands to know extent to which Germans were targeted...

...Sabine Leutheusser-Schnarrenberger sent two letters on Tuesday to the British justice secretary, Chris Grayling, and the home secretary, Theresa May, stressing the widespread concern the disclosures have triggered in Germany and demanding to know the extent to which German citizens have been targeted.

It is the first major challenge to David Cameron's government to publicly justify its mass data-trawling operation, which was revealed in documents leaked by the former US intelligence contractor Edward Snowden.

Germany's chancellor, Angela Merkel, has made clear her frustration that many of the questions raised by the disclosures made by the whistleblower have gone unanswered by the Obama administration.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2013/jun/2 ... rveillance

lol Germany calling us Nazis . Do it, get the EU involved too, charge those tory bastards for being enemies of the the EU.

I can understand their knickers being in a twist, I wonder if they remember that we were intercepting communications between Germany and America in WWI so that we had a monopoly on the news.

[Eraser]

Brushing Godwin there.
This has nothing to do with either WW1 or WW2.

[losCHUNK]

Nowhere near, you're closer than me homo.

It was a nod to the power of having a monopoly on communications and a contrast on how Britain has bettered itself since its imperialistic days >: /. I would've mentioned pirate radio ?

Germany has ID cards n shit too, so if I did call them Nazis it's not necessarily because it's Germany and find it a little ironic that they poke fun at infringements on other peoples liberties. They've lead many of the changes to the Human Rights proposals in the EU n all, so doubt they would want this raised in front of the EU with Germany doing the exact same things we have and suspect like Russia they're doing this for the media.

Several German state officials have confirmed that they have sponsored a piece of software described as a "federal trojan" that can be used to spy on citizens.

The trojan, referred to as Bundestrojaner ("federal trojan") or R2D2, was first discovered by German hacker group Chaos Computer Club.

http://www.wired.co.uk/news/archive/201 ... g-software

edit(lots): was munching soz om nom nom

[seremtan]

lol Germany calling us Nazis

except that they didn't, and who's this "we"?

also stfu about WWII, srsly. it's over, everyone's dead, fuck off

[losCHUNK]

lol Germany calling us Nazis

except that they didn't, and who's this "we"?

also stfu about WWII, srsly. it's over, everyone's dead, fuck off

The 'we' I thought was obvious but if you need clarification then I mean Britain and the government that we voted for collectively. Ya know seeing as it is our government that's one of the targets of these allegations and who Germany are currently pointing fingers at. He started it with the WWII n all, I never mentioned the war .

Why so serious tho ?. Can't I call people nazis for acting like cunts anymore ?, how about cunt ?, is that allowed ?. Obviously they didn't call us Nazis and you'd be a moron to think they did

[GONNAFISTYA]

semencan is touchy about Nazis because he had to eat a few to survive back in 'Nam.

[losCHUNK]

I heard they were sucked to death for 'nutrients'.

[seremtan]

The 'we' I thought was obvious but if you need clarification then I mean Britain and the government that we voted for collectively. Ya know seeing as it is our government that's one of the targets of these allegations and who Germany are currently pointing fingers at. He started it with the WWII n all, I never mentioned the war .

lol wut

ok, i'm gonna address your points in order. if by "we" you mean the British people, then that's incorrect because "we" aren't spying everyone - GCHQ is spying on everyone. "we" only found out about it because of an American whistleblower. how can "we" be responsible for decisions we didn't even know about? on the other hand, if by "we" you mean "the people who voted for the current government", then that's incorrect too, since only 65% of "us" turn out to vote in 2010, and "we" couldn't decide which of the shower of wankstains on offer was the least objectionable enough to give a majority. the coalition parties received 59.1% of the total vote (36.1% Con + 23% Lib-Dem), which - given that only 65% of the electorate voted - is equal to 38% support amongst registered voters. not exactly "we" territory, is it?

also, the German trojan is directed entirely at German residents (it's a piece of software remotely installed on a suspect's computer), unlike GCHQ's Tempora programme, which sucks up everything going in and out of this country - which clearly includes Germany - and isn't targeted in the slightest

Why so serious tho ?. Can't I call people nazis for acting like cunts anymore ?, how about cunt ?, is that allowed ?. Obviously they didn't call us Nazis and you'd be a moron to think they did

it's political correctness gone mad!

[seremtan]

semencan is touchy about Nazis because he had to eat a few to survive back in 'Nam.

yeah, me and DooMer lived on tinned Gestapo during the siege of Dong Bong Nang Nong