Playstation 4

[Captain]

Cool, they can run Powerpoint on max details now.

[Deathshroud]

What everyone here really should know: http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/digit ... r-next-gen

[obsidian]

I'm not sure if I agree with the article, sure graphics memory is important, but most engines and developers have found that it's far easier and efficient to batch up texture data and just stream it to GPU memory instead of loading it all to memory in brute force. So just 1-2GB of graphics memory has proven to be quite sufficient when supplemented with a fair amount (say, 6+GB) of system memory. The PS4's 8GB of unified memory is going to be really just on par with what a modest PC will have.

TL;DR: A midrange PC is already faster than "next-gen" consoles.

[GONNAFISTYA]

Not so fast on the "midrange PC" mindset...more like "low end" PC availability of memory.

OS overhead takes up 3.5GB of PS4’s 8GB of RAM

Since its public debut in February, Sony has made a lot of hay out of the 8GB of high-speed GDDR5 RAM that will be available in a unified architecture on the PlayStation 4. But a new report suggests that game developers will generally only have access to 4.5GB of that RAM, with the rest taken up by the underlying OS.

I honestly cannot understand why anyone who's used to PC gaming would ever consider buying one of these consoles...they simply aren't worth the pricepoint. Sorry fanboys, they just aren't. I apply the same mindset of those who'd by it as those who'd buy a tablet/iPad they don't need: they simply want it because everyone else does. Fucking morons. If it's about "sitting on the couch in front of the tv" for gaming then I'd suggest buying a wireless game controller and an HDMI cable.

Seriously (and I mean this sincerely) but I'm waiting for the day when MS and Sony admit this was all a joke.

....but I'm actually quite positive that when the next-next-generation comes out in 6 - 10 years (lol...enjoy your decade of ugly games you fucking console tards) they'll do exactly what MS has done with every successive OS release: openly admit the problems with the older generation/version. Maybe then we'll find out they're right now laughing at consumer whores.

[scared?]

lol...

[Eraser]

What you're forgetting is that not every console buyer is a PC savvy person who knows how to compare stuff like this and build their own living room gaming system with a custom PC.

For those people a console is like a straight forward plug and play gaming solution. Sure, you'll argue that building your own gaming PC and hooking it up to your TV isn't much more complex, but for these people it is, even if that's just because they believe it is.

And I'm not talking about morons and elderly people, it's the majority of the people. It's not them that's stupid, it's us that have above average knowledge on the topic.

[GONNAFISTYA]

What you're forgetting is that not every console buyer is a PC savvy person who knows how to compare stuff like this and build their own living room gaming system with a custom PC.

For those people a console is like a straight forward plug and play gaming solution. Sure, you'll argue that building your own gaming PC and hooking it up to your TV isn't much more complex, but for these people it is, even if that's just because they believe it is.

And I'm not talking about morons and elderly people, it's the majority of the people. It's not them that's stupid, it's us that have above average knowledge on the topic.

If you insist on basing your argument that the majority of people are morons, then I'd counter exactly that fact, that you're forgetting is that not every PC buyer is a PC savvy person who knows how to compare stuff like this and build their own living room gaming system with a custom PC. The PC is the LARGEST SKU that you can play games on...period. And of that segment, less than 20% are "hardcore" and upgrade their machines specifically for games. Most "PC gamers" know as much about their PC hardware as they do about console hardware: exactly zero.

Stop believing the myths and dumb arguments console supporters are offering...none of it is objective or even true.

[U4EA]

I honestly cannot understand why anyone who's used to PC gaming would ever consider buying one of these consoles...

It's really not that difficult to understand. Some exclusives don't make it over to the PC, and are worth investing into the console just for them. For example, God of War 3, LittleBigPlanet, the Uncharted series, The Last of Us, MGS4, Heavy Rain, Killzone for the PS3.

Furthermore, consoles are a great way of social gaming. Gathering around a large TV screen with a bunch of mates and controllers is a lot more fun than a PC/laptop LAN type scenario.

That said, although I do have a PS3 right now, PC/Steam is still my primary platform, and I doubt I'll be getting a next gen console for a year past release.

[Eraser]

If you insist on basing your argument that the majority of people are morons, then I'd counter exactly that fact, that you're forgetting is that not every PC buyer is a PC savvy person who knows how to compare stuff like this and build their own living room gaming system with a custom PC. The PC is the LARGEST SKU that you can play games on...period. And of that segment, less than 20% are "hardcore" and upgrade their machines specifically for games. Most "PC gamers" know as much about their PC hardware as they do about console hardware: exactly zero.

Stop believing the myths and dumb arguments console supporters are offering...none of it is objective or even true.

I'm being the devil's advocate, because of course I know setting up a gaming PC isn't that hard, but you're overestimating the average PC user. When you ask people why they won't hook up their PC to their TV via HDMI and use a wireless controller, they go "ohhh that stuff's just too complex for me". Whether that's a rational thought or not is irrelevant here. The fact remains that they believe it is and therefore they'll choose the console. In fact, I think only a small minority of PC gamers even considers the possibility of moving the PC away from the desk and towards the TV. Not even many relatively savvy gamers will.

[GONNAFISTYA]

Anyone who buys a platform for "exclusivity" probably votes Republican or is dumb enough to. Nobody except marketing geeks gives a flying fuck about those people. Nobody. They'll pretend to care, just so they can brag about "exclusivity" but honestly...nobody cares.

And while it's true that loads of consumers believe that "PC to tv" is "hard" or "complex" it really doesn't help when people keep reinforcing it. I guess I'm saying "fuck u" for being devil's advocate...just on the off-chance someone reads your post and believes "it's too complex". Besides...this can solve alot of those issues if it takes off.

As I said in my last post: most of what the console supporters are saying is bullshit and people believe it. I guess I'm railing against the non-stop flood of misinformation....sorta the same frustration I have with Fox News: it's all bullshit and people with half a brain know it's bullshit...but the other 90% are fucking morons who'll consume it regardless.

[U4EA]

Anyone who buys a platform for "exclusivity" probably votes Republican or is dumb enough to. Nobody except marketing geeks gives a flying fuck about those people. Nobody. They'll pretend to care, just so they can brag about "exclusivity" but honestly...nobody cares.

What an idiotic thing to say. You don't buy a platform for exclusivity. You buy it to play some really good games that you can't play anywhere else. For some people it's worth it, for others it's not.

[GONNAFISTYA]

Ah I thought you meant a "I can have it but you can't" approach, which is a common sentiment when discussing such things with owners of aforementioned exclusives.

But getting a console for Killzone or Heavy Rain?

[zewulf]

I’m not sure why some PC gamers feel the need to diss consoles. I personally don’t see much difference gaming on either platform. I play on both, provided my PC (a laptop actually) can handle it. But there lies the problem for me when it comes to PC gaming. I’m not hardcore enough that I want to spend hundreds of dollar (possibly more than the price of a console) upgrading a PC every year or two just so I can play the latest PC games. If you think doing that is worth it to you, all power to you, but it’s not for me.

Console is a far more stable, efficient, consistent, and economical platform. It’s plug and play; you don’t have to worry about drivers, configs, and all that shit. Plus the games are highly optimized for the hardware. It’s able to do more with less, unlike the brute force approach that PC has always taken. Just about the only advantage that the PC has over an aging console is graphics, but as we have seen in this generation with graphics getting good enough that improvements are getting diminishing returns compared to previous generations. Besides, games shouldn’t just be about graphics anyway, right? And do you honestly think titles like The Last of Us looks far worse than most PC games?

The way I see it, PC gaming is becoming more and more a niche market, especially in regards to those hardcore gamers who are willing to spend and upgrade. It’s been well reported that this year has been the worst year in history for PC sales. Why? Because people are moving on to tablets. I know my next PC most likely will be a tablet. Tablets may eventually be powerful enough to be the new PC game platform, but I don’t see that happening any time soon. So in the foreseeable future, it looks like I’ll be gaming strictly on the console. Am I going to miss PC gaming? Probably not. As I said before, for me there’s not much difference gaming on either platform. I suppose the only thing I’ll miss from the PC is being able to use mouse/keyboard for FPS games.

[zewulf]

Pretty insightful interview with PS4 architect Mark Cerny. This was from a few months back, but I haven’t seen it posted here yet.

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=532077

Btw, that max 2.75 GHz in the PS4 should be the write clock frequency of the GDDR5 RAM.

[Captain]

For example, God of War 3, LittleBigPlanet, the Uncharted series, The Last of Us, MGS4, Heavy Rain, Killzone for the PS3.

lol, at least list some games worth playing.

[Don Carlos]

What you're forgetting is that not every console buyer is a PC savvy person who knows how to compare stuff like this and build their own living room gaming system with a custom PC.

For those people a console is like a straight forward plug and play gaming solution. Sure, you'll argue that building your own gaming PC and hooking it up to your TV isn't much more complex, but for these people it is, even if that's just because they believe it is.

And I'm not talking about morons and elderly people, it's the majority of the people. It's not them that's stupid, it's us that have above average knowledge on the topic.

If you insist on basing your argument that the majority of people are morons, then I'd counter exactly that fact, that you're forgetting is that not every PC buyer is a PC savvy person who knows how to compare stuff like this and build their own living room gaming system with a custom PC. The PC is the LARGEST SKU that you can play games on...period. And of that segment, less than 20% are "hardcore" and upgrade their machines specifically for games. Most "PC gamers" know as much about their PC hardware as they do about console hardware: exactly zero.

Stop believing the myths and dumb arguments console supporters are offering...none of it is objective or even true.

I'm not a moron and I understand what it takes to run a good game, but I got bored of buying a £300 graphics card every 2 years to keep me up to day with stuff and I grew lazy.
I haven't upgraded my PC for nearly 3 years now and I am likely to get a PS4 before I do upgrade anything on my PC. My PC does everything I want it to but to play the latest games with everything turned up to high and looking super I'd need to drop £600 at minimum. Or I could blast out £350 on a PS4 which won't need upgrading and still look better than my current PC.

[scared?]

Don't sell urself short Carlos...ur a tremendous moron...

[scared?]

Also lol @ poor ppl who constantly complain about buying hardware etc...

[shaft]

lol @ thinking you need to upgrade your gfx every 2 years. If that's your excuse and you claim console graphics are fine you would've had to buy somthing in 2006 and never upgraded in the last 7 years to stay on par with the current gen. Argument invalid.

[scared?]

He's just poor...and that makes him ignorant...

[obsidian]

I haven't upgraded my computer in more than 3 years and I'm still playing all the latest games on high graphics and don't see the need to upgrade anything anytime soon. Also, it's been a long time since I had to muck around with searching for drivers for my computer. Windows update handles pretty much everything except for archaic hardware like my old laser printer. I agree that games aren't just about graphics, but then again PC games are not just about graphics either. Not all the PC games I play have super graphics nor do I feel the need to always turn everything up.

People saying that they need to dump a massive amount of money into a gaming PC is either seriously out of date with current hardware performance and prices, or are enthusiasts who are more interested in building as big of a space heater as they can just for the heck of it. If you're not the latter group of people, you can get a pretty decent computer to run all the latest games for not all that much money.

Then there is the price for games, PC games are in general cheaper, more likely to go down in price, and more often to go on sale (take my money, Steam). There is also a *much* wider selection of games and genres on the PC. Despite the growth in the mobile gaming market, the PC video game market is still by far the largest piece of the pie. Besides, most people need a PC anyway so you can do stuff like work, email, watch porn and read the latest LawL vs. Goof thread on Q3W.

Look, consoles are cool and all and they have an important part to play in the video game market. I understand if PC's are not the platform of choice for you. But those of you who are dismissing PCs as excessively expensive, niche market machines that are doomed to die a slow torturous death are just flat out wrong.

(P.S. LOL poor people, etc.)

[scared?]

ALL my kids eventually gravitate to the PC...when a new game comes out for console they play it a while...then back to a real mans setup...

[obsidian]

Is that when they scratch your monitor with rocks?

[scared?]

Or cover it with stickers...yeah...

[Don Carlos]

http://www.joystiq.com/2013/07/26/ps4-a ... e-by-side/