Russell Brand, spot on.

[YourGrandpa]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3YR4CseY ... r_embedded

[DTS]

That was pretty good.

[losCHUNK]

Really ?, I think the Americans actually make him sound more stupid.

He has no idea about current politics but wants to include a new system that doesn't exist yet based on opinions he seems to have gathered from pretty much every newspaper. He still thinks there's a class system.

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Oh. Good points, losCHUNK.

[seremtan]

Brand has a good vocabulary, but he's a clueless spouter of mainstream faux-'leftist' platitudes. And Paxman is a terrible interviewer with no idea how to draw out the people he interviews. he just goes for the throat because that makes for drama

depressing

[losCHUNK]

Just treat Brand as an idiot by default

[GONNAFISTYA]

He still thinks there's a class system.

Class systems do exist on Earth in many forms. Perhaps there's no "official" acknowlegment from western society in terms of caste like they have in India or other places in south Asia, but regarding western society you honestly think that there are no differences in class in terms of legal privledge, advantageous access to power and a general longer life expectancy?

What planet do you live on?

[GONNAFISTYA]

Just treat Brand as an idiot by default

Seriously? He's more intelligent than most of this forum...by a damned long shot, too. Anyone who thinks he's on the same level as Kracus or xer0s is dumber than both of them.

I'm not white-knighting him, just pointing out reality....something I've had to do countless times on this wasteland of stupid called GD.

[losCHUNK]

lol, err, I think he'd be a good member of this forum put it that way . The guy is a self obsessed idiot though.

I know class systems exist n all but I have to assume hes talking about British politics, otherwise he's being even more vague than I had realised. All those things you mention at the end of your previous post are usually linked with money / power which is a door open to the poorest in our societies ?

[GONNAFISTYA]

All those things you mention at the end of your previous post are usually linked with money / power which is a door open to the poorest in our societies ?

You honestly believe that? Really? You don't think the game is rigged at all?

I suppose you think "the American Dream"© is real, too?

[losCHUNK]

lol do I fuck but if you'd like to throw a point at me cos I'm not sure wether I should be talking about how MPs are elected or how about everyone can't be rich or powerful otherwise no one would be ?

[GONNAFISTYA]

Please...no "brit talk". Please reformat your statement so that it is something that someone who understands the English language can make sense of.

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[losCHUNK]

lol reggie is da man

[losCHUNK]

It was overviews of possible discussions lol. I have no idea where to begin

[GONNAFISTYA]

Please...no "brit talk". Please reformat your statement so that it is something that someone who understands the English language can make sense of.

[losCHUNK]

eejits, I was basically asking if you'd like to throw a point at me cos I dunno where you're going with this ?

I could talk about the rich / poor gap, monarchies or MPs for example.

If that doesn't work we're gonna need a translator...

[GONNAFISTYA]

Well you began by stating that "He still thinks there's a class system" when...yeah...there is.

Simply stated the working class tend to stay working class...and they never have the power. Ever. If you think that somehow things change because the working class made it so, you're deluded. "Popular" movements only gain traction and change things when the ruling class benefits from it and the changes always come from their level of the food chain, their level of influence - usually in the form of government policy or law - which I think is a large part of the problem Mr.Brand was talking about and why he doesn't think voting within the current system actually works for the people it's supposed to work for. Don't believe me, look at Egypt and the Tea Party...undermined by rich fucks cynically trying to manipulate things. The Iraq War protests, the largest in human history and the correct opinion/position humanity should take as a species on the matter, did absolutely nothing because there was not a majority of rich fucks who were against it, because the rich fucks were gonna make money from the war.

As I said, if your basis for dismissing what the man says is based on your false belief that there are no class systems and that we shouldn't worry about changing such things in a democratic society then I'd say you are quite far behind the wall of BS most people build up around themselves to shield from the "bad news" of the human condition...such as changing the channel when they see poor Africans asking for $20 a month or whining about welfare moms.

I'm basically saying I agree with Mr.Brand that people like you who think of him as an idiot, as you've proudly stated, should pull their heads out of their ass.

[losCHUNK]

Well you began by stating that "He still thinks there's a class system" when...yeah...there is.

Simply stated the working class tend to stay working class...and they never have the power. Ever. If you think that somehow things change because the working class made it so, you're deluded. "Popular" movements only gain traction and change things when the ruling class benefits from it and the changes always come from their level of the food chain, their level of influence - usually in the form of government policy or law - which I think is a large part of the problem Mr.Brand was talking about and why he doesn't think voting within the current system actually works for the people it's supposed to work for. Don't believe me, look at Egypt and the Tea Party...undermined by rich fucks trying to manipulate things. The Iraq War protests, the largest in human history, did absolutely nothing because there was not a majority of rich fucks who were against it, because the rich fucks were gonna make money from the war.

As I said, if your basis for dismissing what the man says is based on your false belief that there are no class systems and that we shouldn't worry about changing such things in a democratic society then I'd say you are quite fag behind the wall of BS most people build up around themselves to shield from the "bad news" of the human condition...such as changing the channel when they see poor Africans asking for $20 a month and whining about welfare moms.

I'm basically saying I agree with Mr.Brand that people like you who think of him as an idiot, as you've proudly stated, should pull their heads out of their ass.

Um, nah. In my country over the last 50 years atleast most of the population has moved from what would have been considered working class to middle class jobs. Anyone in a lower management level position can be considered middle class and I've seen people get thrown between those 2 'classes' plenty of times. There's varying definitions but if you're on 22k+ then you could have reason to say your just 1 level away from high class and there's more than enough movement between them. So if they do exist the barriers between them atleast have been knocked down.

We have local elections on everything from Councillors to police chiefs, our laws are made by people that have been elected through the commons, who would have been elected to that seat from the public. Class systems only have a real benefit in an aristocracy of which Britain left behind many moons ago, otherwise you end up like the Tories which is more a result of inbreading rather than class diversion. Everything that those Tory bastards have access to is/was accessible by me and most MPs are your average local constituent.

Besides, the last time the working class had power Britain was bought to its knees by union strikes .

And the guy is an idiot, he proudly states he doesnt vote cos he doesnt know anything about politics. Which is the only point I can agree on.

[GONNAFISTYA]

But he does know politics. He's intelligent enough to digest it and condense it down to a single concept: democracy in its current form hasn't really solved any problems. Did you even listen to the video?

You honestly think he's only talking about British politics? You're as self-centred as the yanks, which isn't surprising since today's yanks and brits are both the entitled children of empire. Try looking at the whole world and not just your slice of it.

Have you always been this thick?

[GONNAFISTYA]

And 22k is considered close to "high class"? Do you really not understand the orders of magnitude in difference between 22,000 and 2,000,000,000?

How exactly does mathematics work in the UK?

[losCHUNK]

But he does know politics. He's intelligent enough to digest it and condense it down to a single concept: democracy in its current form hasn't really solved any problems. Did you even listen to the video?

You honestly think he's only talking about British politics? You're as self-centred as the yanks, which isn't surprising since today's yanks and brits are both the entitled children of empire. Try looking at the whole world and not just your slice of it.

Have you always been this thick?

He doesn't know enough about class systems, which is what I thought we were talking about ? :]. Do you have any previous experience with Brand ?.

And aye, I listened to it which is why I said he seems to have gathered most of his opinions from newspapers because it's just regurgitated vague statements without foundation.

And why wouldn't he be ?, he's a Brit guy talking to Paxman on Newsnight FFS !. The only time he mentions American politics is when he references it to Brit politics and mentions no one but Cameron and Osbourne, talks about taxes. Fucking lol.

Edit: our prime minister is on 90k and I think that's considered the high life

[YourGrandpa]

And 22k is considered close to "high class"? Do you really not understand the orders of magnitude in difference between 22,000 and 2,000,000,000?

How exactly does mathematics work in the UK?

GKY, are you attempting to converse with that moron lameClump? LOL.

What a waste of time.

[losCHUNK]

Take a look at your company.

DTS and gwamps *clap.... clap*

[YourGrandpa]

I turned off the dipshit duo (qeero and lostChump) quite awhile back. I figure I've saved myself countless IQ points, as reading their comments can only make you dumber. Unfortunately they're too stupid to figure it out. They still fall over one another to post in every thread I create. Sad fools. LOL!