Oh look, GWAMPS! :olo:

[Nightshade]

The 2007 H3 has a five star crash test rating...

READ UP.

That's shocking, most of them are shitbox deathtraps.

[Grudge]

only 3 stars for rollover crash test

[GONNAFISTYA]

Yeah but in a rollover gramps' head is the roll bar....so he's ok as long as his head stays full of bullshit.

[Nightshade]

I made reference to Kool-Aid consumption due to Gramps' remark about being safer in a large vehicle. This is the fallacious line of thinking that the unwashed masses tout as the main reason for purchasing their land barges.

[prince1000]

Why would you ever want to put a child in a vehicle like the H3 that moves at highway speeds?

[Eraser]

The thing is that intelligent, educated, reasonable people need to have more children, to counter the stupid and uneducated masses who breed like rabbits, and whose children are likely to grow up and become just as fucking stupid as their parents.

That's a bit shortsighted. Many well educated parents spend 40 hours a week at the office, are covered in work through the weekends and can barely even remember their children's names because work is their #1 priority in life. Yeah, that's a good and sensible way to raise children.

Level of education says nothing when it comes to raising children.

[Nightshade]

I think you're missing the point. I get yours, parenting is a full-time job, but that doesn't invalidate what Grudge is saying.

[Eraser]

Well, I get what Grudge is saying but I don't think it's all down to intelligence levels or something like that. It's just that these days people are as irresponsible as fuck. Taking responsibility and learning your children what responsibility is, is key.

[Nightshade]

Hey, I'm with you man. I firmly believe that a good 99% of all the problems facing humanity today can be traced back to shitty parenting.

[Grudge]

Children who have educated parents are much more likely to themselves go on to higher education. Look it up.

Socioeconomical situation is much more of a deciding factor to the successful development of a child than time spent at home by the parents (unemployed, poor people who spend all their time sitting at home do not raise more successful children than hardworking academics). And higher education has a great impact on your socioeconomical status.

I'm talking statistically though. Of course taking responsibility is of great importance too.

[horton]

I think people should be ashamed to give gramps shit for buying a Hummer, I just found out that his Hummer is only the 2nd most shit car you can buy in the US.

http://finance.yahoo.com/loans/article/ ... er-Reports

[Doombrain]

[Grudge]

the 5 lowest rated vehicles are American

coincidence?

[horton]

the 5 lowest rated vehicles are American

coincidence?

nope.

It must be great to be an American car company, you know you can make a total turd of a car because of people who start muttering about world war 2, if you suggest that they might be better off buying German or Japanese cars.

[+JuggerNaut+]

aw, i like the FJ.

and lol grudge, most americans know that domestic cars are shit.

[Underpants?]

yes, Q3W should be world-famous for thread such as these

[Underpants?]

the 5 lowest rated vehicles are American

coincidence?

nope.

It must be great to be an American car company, you know you can make a total turd of a car because of people who start muttering about world war 2, if you suggest that they might be better off buying German or Japanese cars.

completely baseless argument. Every single person I know buys foreign, and feels good about it. Why? Becuase Toyota and Honda aren't necessrily that foreign anymore. They are certainly as much (or more) an American Job-fueler as Chrystler or Ford.

[horton]

completely baseless argument. Every single person I know buys foreign, and feels good about it. Why? Becuase Toyota and Honda aren't necessrily that foreign anymore. They are certainly as much (or more) an American Job-fueler as Chrystler or Ford.

I wouldn't say it was completely baseless, and are you honestly trying to tell me that you don't know one person who buys American?

Perhaps you live in a more open-minded section of society, but I am sure there are enough people who are patriotic/retarded enough to disregard imports and buy only American.

2 things that suprised me

1 my Dad works for Kodak, while all American and European brands were acceptable, no employees are allowed to choose a Japanese car, as a company car - no reasons are given, just a polite "get fucked, no Japanese cars"

2 I was talking to someone an American Jew about cars, he was weighing up getting a Lexus vs an American car, and when I suggested BMW, he told me that he will never buy anything German because of the holocaust. that was a viewpoint I never thought of, and if I were Jewish, I might feel exactly the same.

[Underpants?]

well that's an interesting point... I guess I find the "always buy American" argument baseless since, before or around 1977, Auto makers such as Honda started manufacturing cars in the US, employing tens of thousands of good old boys and gals.
I'd be interested to hear how much more American you can get than that? Are materials shipped in to Marysville Ohio from overseas to build the cars with? I would be surprised if the answer is yes?

[Underpants?]

I think people should be ashamed to give gramps shit for buying a Hummer, I just found out that his Hummer is only the 2nd most shit car you can buy in the US.

http://finance.yahoo.com/loans/article/ ... er-Reports

I will say that consumer reports lately has pissed down their own leg with nonsense such as this:
"While the H3 is credited with good off-road capabilities, the magazine does not include its off-road tests in the final score either."
I mean, come on...

[werldhed]

Indeed. Or the fact that many foreign manufacturers are under control of the Big 3, anyway. So even if your car isn't actually made by hard-working blue collar americans pouring steel and dancing to C+C Music Factory, the money is still going to the same parent company.
Not quite the same, I know, but it's still something that makes me go when talking to people who sneer at your Volvo.

[werldhed]

I think people should be ashamed to give gramps shit for buying a Hummer, I just found out that his Hummer is only the 2nd most shit car you can buy in the US.

http://finance.yahoo.com/loans/article/ ... er-Reports

I will say that consumer reports lately has pissed down their own leg with nonsense such as this:
"While the H3 is credited with good off-road capabilities, the magazine does not include its off-road tests in the final score either."
I mean, come on...

I also liked this quote:

"Consumer feedback on the vehicles been very strong," said Richards, "Niche publications geared toward our end of the market rate the vehicle very highly."

That's because your niche is a bunch of inbred dickless fuckwits.
I can sell a spiked anal dildo and still say we get good feedback from our niche market.

[Underpants?]

well that's an interesting point... I guess I find the "always buy American" argument baseless since, before or around 1977, Auto makers such as Honda started manufacturing cars in the US, employing tens of thousands of good old boys and gals.
I'd be interested to hear how much more American you can get than that? Are materials shipped in to Marysville Ohio from overseas to build the cars with? I would be surprised if the answer is yes?

this last statement... by materials I mean the bulk stuff, steel, rubber, plastic, glass.

[Fender]

this last statement... by materials I mean the bulk stuff, steel, rubber, plastic, glass.

There are several tier 1 suppliers to Honda in Ohio. They manufacture various parts, doors, seats, roofs, transmissions, etc. and then ship them to Marysville. Many of the raw materials are also domestic.

Trivia: if your company causes Honda's line to stop, they bill you for $800k/hour. This was back around '99, it is probably even more now.

[Grudge]

I think people should be ashamed to give gramps shit for buying a Hummer, I just found out that his Hummer is only the 2nd most shit car you can buy in the US.

http://finance.yahoo.com/loans/article/ ... er-Reports

I will say that consumer reports lately has pissed down their own leg with nonsense such as this:
"While the H3 is credited with good off-road capabilities, the magazine does not include its off-road tests in the final score either."
I mean, come on...

Why should they? How many Hummer owners have actually driven it off-road? I'd guess the percentage is in the single digits.