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GONNAFISTYA wrote:No gramps. We're all in this together and - like it or not - America is leading the world towards the future. The problem is that America is leading us over a cliff.

This has nothing to do with heritage or birthplace. The man has nailed you on several points. You do indeed think the US is the shit and you have completely ignored advice/links/whatever when people posted them on eleventy billion occasions. Bringing up the fact that he's not Amurcan and therefore couldn't possibly understand what the issues are is like saying we can't have opinions on movies unless we're movie directors/producers/actors.

The thing I've noticed about your posts is that you get annoyed when people criticize something but don't immediately offer solutions in the same post. Again...this is like saying you can't have an opinion on Murcuh unless you're American.

Fuckin redneck.

GONNAFISTYA wrote:

YourGrandpa wrote:I'm sure there are just as many studies that say different.

Then find them and link them here.

I have to say the most obvious thing in that study was that the death rate in the target groups was similar, regardless of firearms.

But the other obvious thing was that the availability of guns makes it more likely the accident/murder/suicide will be from a gun.

YourGrandpa wrote: Hey genius, WE KNOW WHAT THE PROBLEMS ARE, just like you. And if your special country knows so much better, why is that WE are leading YOU over the cliff? Could it possibly be that you don't have a solution?

YourGrandpa wrote: Whatever the case may be, there comes a point when your so called opinion becomes moot and looks more like hate.

YourGrandpa wrote: You're also right, I do think America is the greatest country in the world. As I'm sure you feel the same about your native land.

YourGrandpa wrote: But I don't ignore what's going on, nor am I in the need of some fuckwit foreigner to point things out.

YourGrandpa wrote: I know that your (GKY and PUFF) views are slanted and you get off pointing out America's shortcomings. You hate America and that's fine. But I don't hate your country. As a matter of fact. I, just like many other Americans would probably hop on a ship/plane tomorrow to help defend your country if needed. (Please turn that last comment into the nasty American war machine.)

Fuckin Fatneck..

HM-PuFFNSTuFF wrote:So to sum it up, YGP is a redneck because he thinks Amurka is God's gift to the world, he is incapable of and uninterested in, understanding the views of others, he keeps guns in his house despite the risk of his child unlocking the cabinet and then blowing himself or another away. And generally, he's dumb and loves consumption.

YourGrandpa wrote:

GONNAFISTYA wrote: Then find them and link them here.

I'm not fucking google... You find it.

GONNAFISTYA wrote: Blabber blabber, blubber

YourGrandpa wrote:It's easy to sit in your reinforced chair and spout bullshit, isn't it?

Nothing again, Fatneck.

Tormentius wrote:

HM-PuFFNSTuFF wrote:So to sum it up, YGP is a redneck because he thinks Amurka is God's gift to the world, he is incapable of and uninterested in, understanding the views of others, he keeps guns in his house despite the risk of his child unlocking the cabinet and then blowing himself or another away. And generally, he's dumb and loves consumption.

If proper (eg. legally required) precautions are followed theres no chance of that. So, to sum it up, you don't have the first fucking clue about the topic other than what alternet and gun control sites spoon feed you.

Edit: Proper safety precautions such as trigger locks and separate locked ammunition inside a locked gun vault keep any responsible owner's firearms as safe as possible. Considering the amount of firearms owned in this country the number of accidental deaths are small and far outweighed by cars, smoking, drinking, obesity, heart disease, biking, the list goes on and on. Its irresponsible twats that don't use the proper safeguards that cause the vast majority of problems but the same is true anything in life (eg. drunk driving, etc).

HM-PuFFNSTuFF wrote: You are seriously retarded. Come back when you can fashion a cogent argument.

Tormentius wrote:

HM-PuFFNSTuFF wrote: You are seriously retarded. Come back when you can fashion a cogent argument.

Don't get pissy because I disagree with your opinion. Why don't you explain how someone is going to get into a combination gun vault and then magically get the keys to unlock both the trigger locks and then also the separate locked ammunition case? Or, better yet, how are they going to get into a steel gun vault that has biometric fingerprint recognition and that can only be programmed from the inside. I don't want some linked article, I'm asking you to think and establish a response.

The vast majority of firearm owners are responsible and go well beyond the safety requirements of the law, especially if children are around. When you compare the number of accidental deaths compared to the millions of licensed and responsible gun owners its small in comparison. And, out of those accidental deaths, I'd be willing to bet that most of those accidents occurred because of a lack of proper safeguards.

Posted Apr 2, 10:42 am.

By Dan Schreiber
The Chronicle

An autopsy was conducted Tuesday on the body of an 11-year-old boy who died of a gunshot wound he sustained at his home outside Centralia Monday night.

The Lewis County Sheriff’s Office believes the boy accidentally shot himself with a handgun while he was in the living room of the home, with his 15-year-old brother in a separate room.

The name of the boy and the official cause of death have not been released by the sheriff’s office, but phone calls on Tuesday from parents Aaron and Tanya Rothmeyer, owners of the house at 724 Teitzel Road, indicated their son’s name was Dakota � Cody for short.

Both parents were working at the time of the incident, just before 9 p.m. Paramedics attempted to resuscitate the boy in an ambulance before he was rushed to Providence Centralia Hospital, where he died at 11:30 p.m., according to the sheriff’s office.

Aaron Rothmeyer, an Aberdeen tow truck business owner who works with law enforcement agencies, expressed shock that one of his guns was involved in his son’s death.

“They knew guns since they’ve been born,” Aaron Rothmeyer said. “I don’t understand what happened. It was just something that happened. It was a freak accident.”

Detective Sgt. Stacy Brown indicated on Tuesday there was more than one firearm in the house. The incident is under investigation, she said.

Washington law does not require guns be locked in boxes in homes with children and there is no “child access prevention” law, which imposes criminal liability on adults who negligently leave firearms accessible to children. Those laws exist in various forms in 27 other states.

In the 2005 legislative session in Olympia, a bill was introduced to impose charges of reckless endangerment when loaded firearms are left where a child is able to gain access.

The bill also proposed to allow prosecutors to abstain from pressing charges, even with sufficient evidence, if prosecution would “serve no public purpose” or “result in decreased respect for the law.” With the exception of a public hearing, the bill received little attention by the Legislature.

A 2000 nationwide study by the American Journal of Public Health found that 55 percent of homes with children and firearms had one or more guns in unlocked places.

According to the state Department of Health, there were 65 gun-related deaths among Washington’s children between 1999 and 2001. Although suicide and homicide accounted for the vast majority of deaths, four incidents were unintentional and three of those were self-inflicted.

Chehalis police Deputy Chief Randy Kaut said gun locks are available from his department, and at most other law enforcement agencies in the area. At Centralia City Hall, there is a box of free locks.

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Dan Schreiber covers county government and environmental issues for The Chronicle. He may be reached at 807-8239 or dschreiber@chronline.com.

HM-PuFFNSTuFF wrote:What kind of a hellhole do you live in that you need to carry a gun around with you gwamps?

HM-PuFFNSTuFF wrote: Vast majority blah blah blah get a fucking grip dummy.

Nightshade wrote:Am I missing something in that last article quote? It doesn't say that the guns were locked up. I see the bit about the lack of laws requiring it, but not that the kid had gotten it out of a locked vault.
PuFF, you know my feelings about gun ownership and I know yours, but let me ask you this: You've characterized guns as a public safety issue in the past, so why aren't you campaigning just as hard to ban tobacco and alcohol? They kill a LOT more people every year, and lots of tobacco advertising is targeted at kids.

Tormentius wrote:

HM-PuFFNSTuFF wrote: Vast majority blah blah blah get a fucking grip dummy.

I'm talking about Canada dumbass, where we do have laws requiring safeguards. Here's the relevant section of the Canadian Firearms Centre site: http://www.cfc-cafc.gc.ca/bulletins/pub ... in23_e.asp

Edit: Most of Canadian firearms owners go beyond the requirements in using safeguards, but that doesn't agree with your views on the issue, so its conveniently ignored. If an owner gets caught without using at least the minimum safeguards it results in the owners Possession and Aquisition license being revoked as well as up to 6 years in prison and THEN additional charges are added if anything stupid was done with the gun. FFS, gun-toting gang members in Canada get off far easier than legitimat and licensed owners.