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Post by **HM-PuFFNSTuFF** » Fri Jul 28, 2006 1:24 pm

Ryoki wrote:When you think about it, it was the christians that rode into the Arab lands during the crusades that changed Islam for the worse. The whole radicalism, the military concept associated with the term Jihad, the promises for holy warriors - all that comes from having to whip up an entire people into fighting for their very existance. It's a direct response to the radical thinking that caused the crusades.

Too bad it never changed back.

you're on to something here and you'll find that the West's intervention in the region mirror's this today.

We've been in their countries fucking with them for hundred's of years.

Do people like Riffraff and busetibi know that Iran had a democratically elected government several decades ago until the USA imposed the Shah as leader?

Post by **busetibi** » Fri Jul 28, 2006 1:25 pm

yes i do thanks

Post by **HM-PuFFNSTuFF** » Fri Jul 28, 2006 1:26 pm

but you have nothing to say about it...

Post by **HM-PuFFNSTuFF** » Fri Jul 28, 2006 1:29 pm

hey Rifrat you know al qaeda offered a truce a while back right? Remember the terms?

Post by **busetibi** » Fri Jul 28, 2006 1:43 pm

HM-PuFFNSTuFF wrote:i was looking more for an overview of important historical events and trends.

the middle east is the most ancient region of civilization, Egyptians Assyrians, Babylonians, Persians, Greeks and Romans,have all had empires in the middle east.
in modern times the otterman empire held sway as did the safavid empire in iran.
the middle east has been the centre of twenty wars from the crusades, to the persian- greek wars and the iran- iraq war.
the decline of the otterman empire started all the current shit over palestine.
the majority of the population in the middle east today is muslim, the area is the heart of the three major religions,
christianity,judaism and islam.

more if you want it later, its 11:42 PM here, ive had a hard day and im off to bed

Post by **busetibi** » Fri Jul 28, 2006 1:45 pm

HM-PuFFNSTuFF wrote:but you have nothing to say about it...

maybe 'cause i dont give a fuck?
n.n.

Post by **HM-PuFFNSTuFF** » Fri Jul 28, 2006 1:46 pm

i guess the otterman empire held sway on both land and the sea

Post by **Ryoki** » Fri Jul 28, 2006 1:47 pm

busetibi wrote:otterman

Sounds like some kind of failed superhero

Ottoman

Post by **Ryoki** » Fri Jul 28, 2006 1:50 pm

awww

Post by **HM-PuFFNSTuFF** » Fri Jul 28, 2006 1:51 pm

busetibi wrote:
HM-PuFFNSTuFF wrote:but you have nothing to say about it...
maybe 'cause i dont give a fuck?
n.n.

your interest in history seems selective somehow. perhaps in the future you should refrain from trying to evaluate situations and events which really need a fuller perspective to be properly understood.

Post by **busetibi** » Fri Jul 28, 2006 1:53 pm

Ryoki wrote:
busetibi wrote:otterman
Sounds like some kind of failed superhero

Ottoman

hey , its 11:45 PM here, cut me some slack

Post by **busetibi** » Fri Jul 28, 2006 1:54 pm

HM-PuFFNSTuFF wrote:
busetibi wrote:
HM-PuFFNSTuFF wrote:but you have nothing to say about it...
maybe 'cause i dont give a fuck?
n.n.
your interest in history seems selective somehow. perhaps in the future you should refrain from trying to evaluate situations and events which really need a fuller perspective to be properly understood.

no thanks

Post by **HM-PuFFNSTuFF** » Fri Jul 28, 2006 1:57 pm

you can go to sleep now

Post by **Ryoki** » Fri Jul 28, 2006 1:58 pm

busetibi wrote:hey , its 11:45 PM here, cut me some slack

soz mate, it just made me laugh is all

Post by **HM-PuFFNSTuFF** » Fri Jul 28, 2006 2:25 pm

busetibi wrote:
HM-PuFFNSTuFF wrote:i was looking more for an overview of important historical events and trends.
the middle east is the most ancient region of civilization, Egyptians Assyrians, Babylonians, Persians, Greeks and Romans,have all had empires in the middle east.
in modern times the otterman empire held sway as did the safavid empire in iran.
the middle east has been the centre of twenty wars from the crusades, to the persian- greek wars and the iran- iraq war.
the decline of the otterman empire started all the current shit over palestine.
the majority of the population in the middle east today is muslim, the area is the heart of the three major religions,
christianity,judaism and islam.

more if you want it later, its 11:42 PM here, ive had a hard day and im off to bed

notice i asked him about the last hundred years and the nearest he got was the ottermen?

sorry butsetibi but you fail. even if this were grade 7 history you'd fail with an answer that shit.

Post by **Ryoki** » Fri Jul 28, 2006 2:28 pm

HM-PuFFNSTuFF wrote:the ottermen

stop use

Post by **HM-PuFFNSTuFF** » Fri Jul 28, 2006 2:30 pm

Post by **R00k** » Fri Jul 28, 2006 5:01 pm

RiffRaff wrote:Does anyone doubt radical Islam's ultimate agenda?

"The war with Israel does not depend on cease-fires ... . It is a jihad (holy war) for the sake of God and will last until (our) religion prevails ... from Spain to Iraq," said al-Zawahri. "We will attack everywhere."

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060728/ap_ ... N5bmNhdA--

Good luck to those in Europe who will be wearing rags on their heads and praying five times a day to Allah in order to keep their heads on their shoulders.

PS. America's offensive against terrorism didn't create this. Radical Islam's agenda wasn't any different during the enabling Clinton era.

Tell me... Aside from the attacks directly after the invasion of Iraq, how many times in recent history have fundamentalist Muslims tried to force Europeans to adopt their way of life?

edit: I'm talking specifically about offensive attacks here, not shit like the 21st century comic riots.

Post by **Foo** » Fri Jul 28, 2006 5:10 pm

How were those attacks an attempt to force europeans to adopt their way of life?

Post by **R00k** » Fri Jul 28, 2006 5:28 pm

They weren't, but I don't doubt that they could be construed that way by certain tireless warriors so I wanted to get them out of the way.

Post by **seremtan** » Fri Jul 28, 2006 5:47 pm

what planet are some americans like shitraff living on to think europe is within decades of becoming some kind of islamic superstate? get a grip, dildos

edit: haha.. sorry, i hit the edit button instead of the quote -dave

Post by **S@M** » Sat Jul 29, 2006 12:43 am

HM-PuFFNSTuFF wrote:
busetibi wrote:
HM-PuFFNSTuFF wrote:but you have nothing to say about it...
maybe 'cause i dont give a fuck?
n.n.
your interest in history seems selective somehow. perhaps in the future you should refrain from trying to evaluate situations and events which really need a fuller perspective to be properly understood.

so are you a poser, or can you back it up puff?

Post by **Dave** » Sat Jul 29, 2006 12:51 am

Some of you should read through this site...
http://www.merip.org/

Post by **Dave** » Sat Jul 29, 2006 1:04 am

seremtan wrote:what planet are some americans like shitraff living on to think europe is within decades of becoming some kind of islamic superstate? get a grip, dildos

I'm pulling this out of my ass on a whim, but I'd say Europe faces the same kind of "threat" (a loaded term that needs a clear definition) that the US faces from Latin American immigration. The only real threat in both instances is uncertainty caused by xenophobia, not the immigrants.

I believe it also has something to do with the threat of economic colonization that comes from places like China and India (which we bring on ourselves, thanks Walmart). The scene where the skinheads attack the Korean (i think) store in American History X and Ice Cube's lyrics about black Korea illustrate this pretty well.

Post by **HM-PuFFNSTuFF** » Sat Jul 29, 2006 1:22 am

S@M wrote:
HM-PuFFNSTuFF wrote:
busetibi wrote: maybe 'cause i dont give a fuck?
n.n.
your interest in history seems selective somehow. perhaps in the future you should refrain from trying to evaluate situations and events which really need a fuller perspective to be properly understood.
so are you a poser, or can you back it up puff?

wu tang motherfucker

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