Any doubts?

Post by **RiffRaff** » Fri Jul 28, 2006 3:14 am

Does anyone doubt radical Islam's ultimate agenda?

"The war with Israel does not depend on cease-fires ... . It is a jihad (holy war) for the sake of God and will last until (our) religion prevails ... from Spain to Iraq," said al-Zawahri. "We will attack everywhere."

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060728/ap_ ... N5bmNhdA--

Good luck to those in Europe who will be wearing rags on their heads and praying five times a day to Allah in order to keep their heads on their shoulders.

PS. America's offensive against terrorism didn't create this. Radical Islam's agenda wasn't any different during the enabling Clinton era.

Post by **JulesWinnfield** » Fri Jul 28, 2006 5:04 am

I was looking for the F*ck the USA angle...

"...non-Muslims should join Islamic militants in the battle against "tyrannical Western civilization and its leader, America."

There we go!

Post by **HM-PuFFNSTuFF** » Fri Jul 28, 2006 5:10 am

pity post

Post by **busetibi** » Fri Jul 28, 2006 5:54 am

a holy war against Israel?

they've tried it four times and been given there arses on a plate each time

sounds like someones pissed about not being on the front page, so whats next from them, prob a tape from bin laden saying the same shit.
Jihad against anyone not of our faith,
read mass murder to further islam
nice.

a question.
if a fighter dies killing "infidels" he goes to paradise right?
does he qualify for the 77 virgins? and...
where do all these virgins come from?
do they have a say on who takes their virginity or are they treated like cattle in death as in life?

Post by **S@M** » Fri Jul 28, 2006 6:10 am

actually the whole virgins thing is kinda anthetical to how they live - kill your sister if she breaks her hymen, or kill anyone who touches your sister in a way that dishonours the family
but get to paradise and bonk virgins?????

Post by **busetibi** » Fri Jul 28, 2006 7:28 am

more so when you read this.

http://www.reprieve.org.uk/press_execut ... .07.06.htm

Post by **Ryoki** » Fri Jul 28, 2006 10:10 am

When you think about it, it was the christians that rode into the Arab lands during the crusades that changed Islam for the worse. The whole radicalism, the military concept associated with the term Jihad, the promises for holy warriors - all that comes from having to whip up an entire people into fighting for their very existance. It's a direct response to the radical thinking that caused the crusades.

Too bad it never changed back.

Post by **Ryoki** » Fri Jul 28, 2006 10:14 am

RiffRaff wrote:"The war with Israel does not depend on cease-fires ... It is a jihad (holy war) for the sake of God and will last until (our) religion prevails...

Funny... notice how Al Zawahri takes the exact same standpoint on the war between Israel and Lebanon as the Bush administration does.

Post by **busetibi** » Fri Jul 28, 2006 10:42 am

ahhhh, here you go,
now you'll see more action in the thread.

"Bush administration "
that should bump the thread to 3 or 4 pages :icon26:

Post by **S@M** » Fri Jul 28, 2006 11:15 am

Ryoki wrote:When you think about it, it was the christians that rode into the Arab lands during the crusades that changed Islam for the worse. The whole radicalism, the military concept associated with the term Jihad, the promises for holy warriors - all that comes from having to whip up an entire people into fighting for their very existance. It's a direct response to the radical thinking that caused the crusades.
Too bad it never changed back.

I was not there, nor have a strong history background in that region, but would be supprised if what youre suggesting was true - I doubt they were lands of gentle people, all getting along until the crusaders came through.
Is this your musings, or based on something more?

Post by **Ryoki** » Fri Jul 28, 2006 11:55 am

A little bit of both i guess

While saying they were all peaceful and friendly before the crusaders came along is perhaps taking it a bit far, it's certainly true it was a tolerant, multicultural, scientifically advanced area in medieval times. They performed surgery under narcotic long before the europeans, did some very advanced mathematics and astronomy, built some of the finest buildings of their time...

The bit about the radicalisation of Islam being the result of the crusades is pretty much my own musings... but i think there's a lot to say for it.

Post by **busetibi** » Fri Jul 28, 2006 11:57 am

what about Saladin, before he took on Richard and the crusaders he slaughtered muslims by the thousands

Post by ek » Fri Jul 28, 2006 11:58 am

just like the christians did with their witch hunts. same shit, different smell.

Post by **Ryoki** » Fri Jul 28, 2006 12:08 pm

busetibi wrote:what about Saladin, before he took on Richard and the crusaders he slaughtered muslims by the thousands

...?

Sure, there was some factional fighting in his rise to power, but it's not like he deliberately targeted muslims or anything... on the contrary, he was one of Islams most principal defenders.

In the end of his career, Saladin was seen as an honerable man even in medieval Europe (where muslims were pretty much seen as devils). That's quite an accomplishment.

Go read his wiki: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saladin

Post by **S@M** » Fri Jul 28, 2006 12:26 pm

it seems islam brought peace - by military domination and assimilation

Woah, he must of been advanced if he had a wiki

Post by **busetibi** » Fri Jul 28, 2006 12:28 pm

i didnt say he did target muslims,
he had to kill muslims to subjugate Yemen,Syria and Palestine and thats apart from him proclaiming himself sultan of Egypt.
my point being.......
the lands of the middle east wasn't all bees and honey before the crusades

Post by **Ryoki** » Fri Jul 28, 2006 12:41 pm

busetibi wrote:the lands of the middle east wasn't all bees and honey before the crusades

Agreed, but when compared to Europe at the time, it certainly was.

Post by **busetibi** » Fri Jul 28, 2006 12:44 pm

agreed,
but europe moved forward, the middle east is caught up in some kind of time warp.
ie: its about the same now as it was then

Post by **Ryoki** » Fri Jul 28, 2006 12:47 pm

S@M wrote:it seems islam brought peace - by military domination and assimilation

That's right. Just like the Mongolian empire and the Roman Empire.

Post by **busetibi** » Fri Jul 28, 2006 12:52 pm

Ryoki wrote:
S@M wrote:it seems islam brought peace - by military domination and assimilation
That's right. Just like the Mongolian empire and the Roman Empire.

and what happened to them?

crashed and burned :icon26:

history can teach some good lessons

Post by **Ryoki** » Fri Jul 28, 2006 12:57 pm

*shrug*
Everything is finite, no surprises there

Post by **HM-PuFFNSTuFF** » Fri Jul 28, 2006 1:05 pm

busetibi wrote:
Ryoki wrote:
S@M wrote:it seems islam brought peace - by military domination and assimilation
That's right. Just like the Mongolian empire and the Roman Empire.
and what happened to them?

crashed and burned :icon26:

history can teach some good lessons

lol

what do you know about history? rofl

for example what can you tell us about the last hundred years in the middle east?

Post by **busetibi** » Fri Jul 28, 2006 1:15 pm

well i know that Egypt is celebrating the centenary of the founding by a Belgian baron in the middle of the desert of the city of Heliopolis, whos population has gone from 30,000 to 1.5 million.

anything else you want to know?

Post by **HM-PuFFNSTuFF** » Fri Jul 28, 2006 1:17 pm

i was looking more for an overview of important historical events and trends.

Post by **HM-PuFFNSTuFF** » Fri Jul 28, 2006 1:18 pm

or was that meant as one?

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