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dubz wrote:as obsidian pointed out and many here dont seem to understand, there is no infrastructure to feed europe gas across the ocean

YourGrandpa wrote:

seremtan wrote:>if

won't happen. Europe buys 25% of its gas off Russia

you Yankees are free to have your own private sanction party though

You can't tell me that Europe likes the idea of being at the mercy of Russia and wouldn't love another viable option. And you certainly can't rule out the possibility of the necessary political manipulation actually happening. The only thing that really negates the whole concept is the United Sates doesn't currently have the ability to export at the potential demand levels.

dubz wrote:as obsidian pointed out and many here dont seem to understand, there is no infrastructure to feed europe gas across the ocean

obsidian wrote:Noticed a lot of blah blah blah debate about sanctions in this thread. Thought whole argument is moot due to a little something called reality. Surprised it took this long for someone else to understand my point. People here are dumb, especially OP who wears a tinfoil cap mistakenly made of wax paper - even if we suspended reality and pretended that it did work, you're still doing it wrong.

obsidian wrote:I'm referring to YGP's conspiracy theory being a moot argument when the U.S. can't viably sell natural gas to people across an ocean, he's so wrong that had it been someone else I would have thought it was an obvious trolling attempt rather than just stupid.

Sanctions probably won't affect Russia very much since they're a large enough country with lots of energy reserves and industry. Countries posing sanctions against Russia would be just as effective shaking their fists angrily, it would be symbolic, but not much effect in practicality.

YourGrandpa wrote:

obsidian wrote:Noticed a lot of blah blah blah debate about sanctions in this thread. Thought whole argument is moot due to a little something called reality. Surprised it took this long for someone else to understand my point. People here are dumb, especially OP who wears a tinfoil cap mistakenly made of wax paper - even if we suspended reality and pretended that it did work, you're still doing it wrong.

obsidian wrote:I'm referring to YGP's conspiracy theory being a moot argument when the U.S. can't viably sell natural gas to people across an ocean, he's so wrong that had it been someone else I would have thought it was an obvious trolling attempt rather than just stupid.

Sanctions probably won't affect Russia very much since they're a large enough country with lots of energy reserves and industry. Countries posing sanctions against Russia would be just as effective shaking their fists angrily, it would be symbolic, but not much effect in practicality.

I like how you enraged nerds looking for the slightest angle in a conversation come to these insane conclusions and then berate them like they were the other person's opinion. Pathetic..

To start, the title of the thread says "conspiracy or not?". That question is posed for your consideration and completely nullifies the notion that this is somehow my belief. But I know your pathetic existence demands that you call me dumb and pretend I have a tinfoil cap mind set. Secondly, my point isn't moot. Russia could be sanctioned and that could drive up the cost of natural gas in Europe. Those cost could get to a point where it may become economical for the U.S. to export to Europe. And even though the U.S. can't currently meet the demand, that doesn't mean more export rights wouldn't be given to U.S. based companies and more export facilities couldn't be built in a relatively short period of time.

Let's speculate further. Russia is sanctioned, the price of natural gas goes up, the U.S. builds more export facilities and becomes an established supplier. Then Russia complies, the sanctions are lifted and they resume providing natural gas to Europe. Do you think the prices would go back to where they were before? I would bet they don't. Russia would certainly take note of the current price being paid and exploit it to the fullest. Ultimately a win/win for everyone but the consumer.

Again, just a thought. Fuck off otherwise.

YourGrandpa wrote:

obsidian wrote:Noticed a lot of blah blah blah debate about sanctions in this thread. Thought whole argument is moot due to a little something called reality. Surprised it took this long for someone else to understand my point. People here are dumb, especially OP who wears a tinfoil cap mistakenly made of wax paper - even if we suspended reality and pretended that it did work, you're still doing it wrong.

obsidian wrote:I'm referring to YGP's conspiracy theory being a moot argument when the U.S. can't viably sell natural gas to people across an ocean, he's so wrong that had it been someone else I would have thought it was an obvious trolling attempt rather than just stupid.

Sanctions probably won't affect Russia very much since they're a large enough country with lots of energy reserves and industry. Countries posing sanctions against Russia would be just as effective shaking their fists angrily, it would be symbolic, but not much effect in practicality.

I like how you enraged nerds looking for the slightest angle in a conversation come to these insane conclusions and then berate them like they were the other person's opinion. Pathetic..

To start, the title of the thread says "conspiracy or not?". That question is posed for your consideration and completely nullifies the notion that this is somehow my belief. But I know your pathetic existence demands that you call me dumb and pretend I have a tinfoil cap mind set. Secondly, my point isn't moot. Russia could be sanctioned and that could drive up the cost of natural gas in Europe. Those cost could get to a point where it may become economical for the U.S. to export to Europe. And even though the U.S. can't currently meet the demand, that doesn't mean more export rights wouldn't be given to U.S. based companies and more export facilities couldn't be built in a relatively short period of time.

Let's speculate further. Russia is sanctioned, the price of natural gas goes up, the U.S. builds more export facilities and becomes an established supplier. Then Russia complies, the sanctions are lifted and they resume providing natural gas to Europe. Do you think the prices would go back to where they were before? I would bet they don't. Russia would certainly take note of the current price being paid and exploit it to the fullest. Ultimately a win/win for everyone but the consumer.

Again, just a thought. Fuck off otherwise.

Κracus wrote:Russia doesn't want to lose the crimean port. It's pretty much the main reason why they're doing this as their lease on the port is set to expire in 2015.

With the previous Ukrainian gov would have been friendly with Russia but with that option out the only remaining option is invading.

Κracus wrote:I think the real problem is that Putin thinks this is still 1960 and the Ukraine is still part of the USSR.

I think Russia is good at making themselves look threatening but in a real war I think they're going to get their asses handed to them.

I also think they should be kicked out of the UN for invading a country.

YourGrandpa wrote:Those cost could get to a point where it may become economical for the U.S. to export to Europe.

Captain Mazda wrote:Holy shit you're fucking stupid

Κracus wrote:I also think they should be kicked out of the UN for invading a country.

Κracus wrote:Well you know.... tankers do exist.

seremtan wrote:

Κracus wrote:I also think they should be kicked out of the UN for invading a country.

yeah, let's put it to a security council vote

oh wait...

obsidian wrote:You've ignored, or more likely too stupid to understand my point. How exactly do you think the U.S. should ship natural gas to Europe... which is across an ocean? Fill up a bunch of balloons and delivered by a clown? A new job for you where you won't be 6th in charge out of 9?

Doombrain wrote:Because we want the surcharge added on from the shipping logistics, don't we.