Russia in the Ukraine. Conspiracy or not?

[YourGrandpa]

Could the civil uprising against pro Russian government in the Ukraine be a U.S. encouraged and/or funded attempt to put sanctions on Russia's export of natural gas? If Russia can't export natural gas the demand would have to be met by someone. That could possibly open the door for the U.S. to gain world wide export rights, driving up the cost of natural gas. With the current restrictions on coal and nuclear power in the U.S. all of the power plants are going with natural gas. Someone could stand to make some serious money on both national and international sales if Russia is sanctioned.

Thoughts?

[Doombrain]

How's the wife?

[Doombrain]

BITCH

[fKd]

[HM-PuFFNSTuFF]

Could the civil uprising against pro Russian government in the Ukraine be a U.S. encouraged and/or funded attempt to put sanctions on Russia's export of natural gas? If Russia can't export natural gas the demand would have to be met by someone. That could possibly open the door for the U.S. to gain world wide export rights, driving up the cost of natural gas. With the current restrictions on coal and nuclear power in the U.S. all of the power plants are going with natural gas. Someone could stand to make some serious money on both national and international sales if Russia is sanctioned.

Thoughts?

sounds legit.

[losCHUNK]

What did the yanks give them ?, rocks ?

Russia didnt have to roll into Crimea with a bunch of hardware and disarm the region

[LawL]

Fat.

[losCHUNK]

Head.

It's also worth mentioning that the current temporary government is made up from a combination of various parliament members that the euromaidan movement approved of for popular support in a united front against Yanukovych as anyone else, like a puppet of America, would have been rejected. The (now) opposition who ousted Yanukovych and are in support of EU membership were right to do so once he started shooting at protestors and many members in the government are pulled straight out of the protesters ranks and are completely unqualified to hold a parliamentary position. Everyone in the country is represented, Jews, Tartars, Christians, Muslims, Ukranians, Blacks, Homos, even the Svoboda party who discriminate against all these but all are scared to be under the umbrella of Russian dictatorship. There is however an under representation of Russians (obviously) but elections will take place when the country manages to stabalise itself.

Putin can't say Yanukovych was illegitimately removed when he was democratically elected

Here's the breakdown -

Government (250)
All Ukrainian Union "Fatherland" (88) Yulia Tymoshenko's party
Ukrainian Democratic Alliance for Reform (42) Vitali Klitschko's group
All-Ukrainian Union (36) "Svoboda"
"Economic Development" Group (33) Breakaway faction from Party of Regions
Non-affiliated (51)

Opposition Parties (199)
Party of Regions (127) Yanukovych's party
Communist Party of Ukraine (32)
Non-affiliated (40)

Russia on the other hand has taken advantage of a bad situation in a bid to control gas and supply across Europe (presumably) and have a history of doing such things, not that the western world is playing petty bollocks with politics and peoples lives but atm Russia are being the giant dicks and this referendum in Crimea does sound like it will be as fair as Russian elections and lifted straight from the Russians guidebook of putting down a rebellion.

They did the same in Poland in 1981, Czechoslovakia in 1968, Hungary in the 1956. They did it when they gave support to the Communist government of East Germany when they suppressed the workers rebellion of 1953. Each time sending in the Russian or soviet army to reassert control over a 'sovereign' state.

[SoM]

come to Canada eh, we party @ Puff's place

[Ryoki]

Could the civil uprising against pro Russian government in the Ukraine be a U.S. encouraged and/or funded attempt to put sanctions on Russia's export of natural gas? If Russia can't export natural gas the demand would have to be met by someone. That could possibly open the door for the U.S. to gain world wide export rights, driving up the cost of natural gas. With the current restrictions on coal and nuclear power in the U.S. all of the power plants are going with natural gas. Someone could stand to make some serious money on both national and international sales if Russia is sanctioned.

Thoughts?

Wow, what? You're under the impression that the rest of the world is somehow boycotting US energy exports? A nation needs 'rights' to export energy you think, and somehow the US ain't got any? What makes you think these crazy things? Have you been watching FOX again?

Also, you're under the impression that we Euro's can afford to enthusiastically support sanctions on Russia somehow? We're only barely, ever so slightly, recovering from the lastest (US created) crash, cutting of our energy supply is madness - it's just not gonna happen. Man, we'll let Russia annex the whole of Ukraine long before we start giving a single fuck.

[YourGrandpa]

Wow, what? You're under the impression that the rest of the world is somehow boycotting US energy exports? A nation needs 'rights' to export energy you think, and somehow the US ain't got any? What makes you think these crazy things? Have you been watching FOX again?

Also, you're under the impression that we Euro's can afford to enthusiastically support sanctions on Russia somehow? We're only barely, ever so slightly, recovering from the lastest (US created) crash, cutting of our energy supply is madness - it's just not gonna happen. Man, we'll let Russia annex the whole of Ukraine long before we start giving a single fuck.

"Wow, what?" You've got some kind of hard on for me and are full of incorrect assumption. I must have really emotionally scarred you at some point... Sad.

I don't think anyone is "boycotting" U.S. energy exports. I do know that with Russia providing a substantial amount of the continent's natural gas it's not a very economical endeavor for U.S. based companies to seek the "rights" to export (from our government). But if export sanctions were placed on Russia exporting natural gas from the U.S. would become a more profitable option. Furthermore, if you think your government gives a "single fuck" about how much YOU pay for fuel, you're delusional. Today's global political wranglings leave little to no room for considering the constituency.

Anyway, it was just a thought. Not something I feel strongly about one way or the other.

[obsidian]

I enjoy unpacking my monthly shipment of natural gas from my U.S. supplier. I'm sure a lot of countries would love to receive boxes of natural gas from a supplier from across the ocean.

BTW, send my regards to your wife.

[Ryoki]

"Wow, what?" You've got some kind of hard on for me and are full of incorrect assumption. I must have really emotionally scarred you at some point... Sad.

I don't think anyone is "boycotting" U.S. energy exports. I do know that with Russia providing a substantial amount of the continent's natural gas it's not a very economical endeavor for U.S. based companies to seek the "rights" to export (from our government). But if export sanctions were placed on Russia exporting natural gas from the U.S. would become a more profitable option. Furthermore, if you think your government gives a "single fuck" about how much YOU pay for fuel, you're delusional. Today's global political wranglings leave little to no room for considering the constituency.

Anyway, it was just a thought. Not something I feel strongly about one way or the other.

I'm emotionally scarred? Hah... don't make me bring up your micromember again.

Your whole post is 'full of incorrect assumption', much like the previous one. It's clear you have no idea how any of this works.

Do people call you a simpleton often in daily life or do they tend to go for moron?

[scared?]

Russia just need to annex all of Ukraine and tell the west to go fuck itself...

[losCHUNK]

Ahh freedom gas, way better than oppression gas

[losCHUNK]

Russia just need to annex all of Ukraine and tell the west to go fuck itself...

Yes, cos they like saying no to money

[scared?]

This unipolar world since 91 has been nothing but bad...go Russia!...

[losCHUNK]

Do it !, collapse again !, I was too young to remember the 1st time

Plus we could see a return of decent action movies

[scared?]

The cold war was a good thing.... The internet probably wouldn't exist without it...

[losCHUNK]

Or 100s of thousands of big nooks

[YourGrandpa]

I'm emotionally scarred? Hah... don't make me bring up your micromember again.

Your whole post is 'full of incorrect assumption', much like the previous one. It's clear you have no idea how any of this works.

Do people call you a simpleton often in daily life or do they tend to go for moron?

You poor, delicate, naive flower.

[seremtan]

if Russia is sanctioned.

>if

won't happen. Europe buys 25% of its gas off Russia

you Yankees are free to have your own private sanction party though

[losCHUNK]

Are we sure ?, I figured we prolly wouldn't but most of what I've been reading hints that the EU are taking it rather seriously. Even though we get 25% of our gas from Russia a lot of it is made up because of Germany and Italy n all, other nations like Norway, UK and Netherlands are not so bad, but obviously there's a shortfall that needs to be made up if we do go ahead with it and prices will no doubt rise even more than they already are. Scotland best not fuck off n all

Bluff ?

[dubz]

as obsidian pointed out and many here dont seem to understand, there is no infrastructure to feed europe gas across the ocean

[YourGrandpa]

>if

won't happen. Europe buys 25% of its gas off Russia

you Yankees are free to have your own private sanction party though

You can't tell me that Europe likes the idea of being at the mercy of Russia and wouldn't love another viable option. And you certainly can't rule out the possibility of the necessary political manipulation actually happening. The only thing that really negates the whole concept is the United Sates doesn't currently have the ability to export at the potential demand levels.