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R00k wrote:

Keep It Real wrote:Osama Bin Laden got his goons to crash planes into the twin towers and the pentagon, then Bush invaded Afghanistan and Iraq.

Goons that were known to be moving about the country, taking flight lessons, and known to be connected to people who had made public statements about crashing a plane into the WTC with an overseas flight. This was all known by the CIA as well as the FBI, before the attacks.

That is straight out of the FBI Inspector General's report which was recently released.

Hang on and I'll source that as well...

I'm hanging tight!

Keep It Real wrote:I'm hanging tight!

Here is the pdf of the full report so you can read it yourself:
http://www.usdoj.gov/oig/special/0506/final.pdf

Here is a pretty thorough analysis of it:
http://www.sbindymedia.org/newswire/dis ... /index.php

If you have any other detailed analyses of it I will be more than happy to read them.

edit: To clarify, the report details intentional prevention by FBI management to pursue these particular cases, even in unprecedented denials of repeated requests by field agents to continue pursuing them.

R00k wrote:

HM-PuFFNSTuFF wrote:rook you need to start sourcing your info

you've been fed a lot of bullshit which you're just accepting

for example, the wtc columns were 18 inches wide not 36 inches

I'm talking about the center columns, for the core of the building.

but it was the exterior columns which supported the building (18 inches), the core mainly supported the elevators

HM-PuFFNSTuFF wrote:but it was the exterior columns which supported the building (18 inches), the core mainly supported the elevators

Not at all. The perimeter beams were 14 inches square, spaced at 3 feet 4 inches apart from center to center all the way around the outside. They were connected, under each floor slab, by more steel beams which connected them to the core. The building was designed so that stress from the perimeter beams was transferred through the girder beams to the core, so the core could absorb the stress and movement of the perimeter. Each beam and structure was designed to support 5 times the weight that the building plan called for.

So a web of thick, strong, steel beams, connected to the center and the permiter and braced to each other, supporting a steel-reinforced concrete slab floor.

Pooinyourmouth_needmerge wrote:Like Achems Razor says... "the simplest answer tends to be the correct answer"

And Occam's Razor supports my theory more than the official one. Explosive charges blowing critical supports for the building to collapse is simpler by far.
First, it has been done and proven to work thousands or tens of thousands of times before; and secondly it doesn't require strange supspensions of physical and chemical properties of materials at certain times to explain away a hundred different things that should never have happened.

The only part that is hard to understand and difficult to believe is that people could have done it. That's it.

Even with the knowledge that there was a power down the prior weekend for a 'cabling upgrade;' that two of George Bush's relatives were officers at companies that handled security for the WTC; that WTC7 was demolished; that many people, including fire chiefs and live journalists said they heard explosions; that all the structural steel was immediately taken away and melted (even the company commisioned by the NIST to explain the collapse wasn't allowed to inspect the material, but was forced to recreate it in a lab); that FEMA had set up an emergency command center the day before the attacks to replace the one in WTC7, and they were the same agency which removed the debris.....

Still, people could NEVER do such a thing.

HM-PuFFNSTuFF wrote:

R00k wrote:

HM-PuFFNSTuFF wrote:rook you need to start sourcing your info

you've been fed a lot of bullshit which you're just accepting

for example, the wtc columns were 18 inches wide not 36 inches

I'm talking about the center columns, for the core of the building.

but it was the exterior columns which supported the building (18 inches), the core mainly supported the elevators

wtf? no moron...the core supported the building...LOLLERSKATES @thedipshit...

Fecalgroin :lol:

Geoff is trying to be the Sean Hannity of this topic.

You need to go more mainstream before they'll let you on Fox, buddy.

Here's a good article about how the floors are really suspended (hint: not from the core)

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/wtc/collapse.html

and here's one that explains how the outer walls bear all the weight

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/wtc/innovation2.html

Hey, thanks Daev! Rook, that article is from the documentary I saw. The one that talks about the angle clips being the weak link in the collapse.

NOVA IS A PROPAGANDA ARM OF THE GUBERNMENT THOUGH

yeah but even if the floors are not connected to the core...if the building would have pancaked...the core should have remained at least most in tact...so the floors would have collapse exposing the core...

inside job...

Dave wrote:NOVA IS A PROPAGANDA ARM OF THE GUBERNMENT THOUGH

Boy, you sure like to talk about other people getting worked up.

I'm still reading the article though, will post after I finish it.

Everyone knows I'm kidding when I do it...

Freakaloin wrote:yeah but even if the floors are not connected to the core...if the building would have pancaked...the core should have remained at least most in tact...so the floors would have collapse exposing the core...

inside job...

i chop the block like circumcision
staring at my chain too long could hurt your vision

Freakaloin wrote:yeah but even if the floors are not connected to the core...if the building would have pancaked...the core should have remained at least most in tact...so the floors would have collapse exposing the core...

inside job...

That's almost the dumbest thing I ever heard... I'd wonder if you were kidding if you didn't post 5 links a day making the same kind of claims

Dave wrote:Everyone knows I'm kidding when I do it...

I think what Rook is trying to say is that you get emotional over this kind of ridiculous online debate and you try to act like the person you're arguing is the one getting emotional

actually i donno

You should stop thinking

Dave wrote:

Freakaloin wrote:yeah but even if the floors are not connected to the core...if the building would have pancaked...the core should have remained at least most in tact...so the floors would have collapse exposing the core...

inside job...

That's almost the dumbest thing I ever heard... I'd wonder if you were kidding if you didn't post 5 links a day making the same kind of claims

why is ity dumb? can u even explain?

"why did bush knock down the towers, why you around them cowards"

Freakaloin wrote:

Dave wrote:

Freakaloin wrote:yeah but even if the floors are not connected to the core...if the building would have pancaked...the core should have remained at least most in tact...so the floors would have collapse exposing the core...

inside job...

That's almost the dumbest thing I ever heard... I'd wonder if you were kidding if you didn't post 5 links a day making the same kind of claims

why is ity dumb? can u even explain?

How can you rationalize the "core", which I assume you mean the supports and the elevator shafts, remaining intact when you have multiple tons of concrete and steel crashing around it. Besides that, even though the building's core did not support the floors, it was connected to them. The whole thing comes down as a package. It would have been a neat trick to see a 110 story elevator pole left over after the entire building crashed down around it.

so the floors weren't supported by the core...so whats gonna knock down the core? the roof? moron?

i don't like bush, nor do i like his so-called 'christian' base, but to think the towers were demo'd just to invade iraq/middle east/destroy islam is preposterous.

the american public is so fucking easy to manipulate that it would not take nearly the effort this 'conspiracy' would neccesitate to go to war. ffs, he gave congress the shaft, as well as the rest of the free world outside of britain without staging any crazy fireworks display. hello?

Freakaloin wrote:so the floors weren't supported by the core...so whats gonna knock down the core? the roof? moron?

heat

They were connected to the floor, but they didn't support it. Call me a moron? Take a look in the mirror next time. :icon19:

Oh and yeah, I suppose the roof did take the core with it, as well as the other 100 whatever floors below it