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Posted: Mon Feb 12, 2007 7:10 pm
by losCHUNK
Dr_Watson wrote:losCHUNK wrote:X-R-Cist wrote:awesome video, i thought he was gonna crash it when he was coughing towards the end.
Also that note that f1 cars have no fancy stuff, no airbags (like thats gonna save you at 407km/h) etc and that the Veyron does and it can out perfor... The F1 can out manouver, out accelerate and around a track out perform the Veyron . when it takes a 16 piston, 4 turbod, 10 radiator, special key car to go as fast as an F1 can, when an F1 has 4 pistos, 2 turbos, and maybe 2 radiators...its got nothing on em.
despite all that, very nice production car...
i think he was just saying that the veryron can go quicker in a straight line whilst still having the ability to go on the road (H&S standards and all that bullshit being added on) also taking into consideration that the f1 engine is changed after every 2 races
i dont think top gear ever said it would be quicker round a track than an F1 car
- anyone see last night episode ? fucking cracking

and that's only barely faster... 7km/h faster than a race prepared Honda F1 on michelin F1 track tires. (407.4 vs 400.459kph)
source
so its faster ? ;]
and honda aint exactly bottom of the pile
Posted: Mon Feb 12, 2007 7:19 pm
by Dr_Watson
certainly gives an F1 a run for its money. (and a lot less of it

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i'd put money that the BMW or Ferrari V-10 could top it... but the honda was certainly one of the stronger motors for top-end.
I remember schumacher and ferrari wanted to have a go at the flying mile but i think honda is still the only team that have had the stones to actually give it a shot.
Posted: Mon Feb 12, 2007 8:32 pm
by losCHUNK
sweet, either way... quite a remarkable car
did i hear correctly in that VW make a loss of profit whenever one of them is sold (quite a substantial loss)
Posted: Mon Feb 12, 2007 9:13 pm
by Dr_Watson
losCHUNK wrote:sweet, either way... quite a remarkable car
did i hear correctly in that VW make a loss of profit whenever one of them is sold (quite a substantial loss)
read this:
For this, VW went to Ricardo, a British company that makes gearboxes for various Formula One teams.
“God, it was hard,” said one of the engineers I know vaguely. “The gearbox in an F1 car only has to last a few hours. Volkswagen wanted the Veyron’s to last 10 or 20 years. And remember, the Bugatti is a damn sight more powerful than any F1 car.”
The result, a seven-speed double-clutch flappy paddle affair, took a team of 50 engineers five years to perfect.
and if you're still questioning if they're taking a loss on the sticker price... eat your socks.
Posted: Mon Feb 12, 2007 9:24 pm
by SIK
In the episode in which Clarkson drove the Veyron against the airplane across Europe he said that although it has a retail price of £850k each one costs £5 million to build. That's PS3 style losses...
Although I believe an F1 car would be quicker off the line I would be interested to see how they stacked up once rolling. I've seen several reports saying that from 100mph up a McLaren F1 will out-accelerate a standard F1 car, though obviously neither the Macca nor a Veyron could match an F1 car's cornering ability as Grand Prix cars tend to run with plenty of downforce.
I remember hearing that from about 100mph onwards an F1 car generates more than it's own weight in downforce. So theoretically if all the cars in a race were above 100mph you could turn the entire track upside down and they wouldn't fall off, which would look quite trippy....

Posted: Tue Feb 13, 2007 6:27 am
by Whiskey 7
losCHUNK wrote:sweet, either way... quite a remarkable car
did i hear correctly in that VW make a loss of profit whenever one of them is sold (quite a substantial loss)
Yes they said it costs 5 million to build and then they sell 'em for 1 million :icon12:
Work that out.
Watched the episode last night here :icon26:
Incredible video, thanks andyman for the link.
Get the bit about the Maximum Security test track?
Edit: Just watched that vid again, one word, awesome.
Posted: Tue Feb 13, 2007 7:50 am
by [xeno]Julios
good to see u around SIK
u still @ astro-z?