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Yes, but which console has better graphics at 1080p?

o'dium wrote:No, its a problem with PS3 games because the PS3 doesn't scale, yet the 360 does. Your TV is probably 720p, in which case they will look fine.

But when you play a 720p game on PS3 on a 1080p set, they look like ass. Playing 1080p games on the PS3 (Like GT5 concept), they look pixel perfect. Any game on 360 looks pixel perfect.

Its not just me, its a lot of people. Its a problem with PS3 scaling in general.

my pc monitor is 1080p...

Debatable, really, depends on the game. So far the 360 has impressed me the most games wise in terms of graphics. Gears, a 720p game, still looks better than most games out now. Bioshock in true 1080p looks stunning.

For films, so far HDDVD and BluRay tie, at 1080p res. Cant tell much difference. Desktop wise, the PS3 was built for 1080p, so the menu (Dashboard) looks stunning on PS3 over HDMI. The 360 dash looks a bit naff over HDMI.

TBH it depends on the game itself dunnit.

But with regards to the PS3, not many games have AA, and nearly all of them are 720p. So when you have a 720p game with zero AA rendering on a 1080p set with a 1080p resolution and zero upscaling, its gonna look shit compared to a 720p image with AA and a decent scaler at 1080p.

nevermind..my pc monitor dropped to 720..but apparently it scales better than ur samsung...pwnt?

shaft wrote:

o'dium wrote:No, its a problem with PS3 games because the PS3 doesn't scale, yet the 360 does. Your TV is probably 720p, in which case they will look fine.

But when you play a 720p game on PS3 on a 1080p set, they look like ass. Playing 1080p games on the PS3 (Like GT5 concept), they look pixel perfect. Any game on 360 looks pixel perfect.

Its not just me, its a lot of people. Its a problem with PS3 scaling in general.

my pc monitor is 1080p...

Yeah, is your PC monitor also 40 inchs? Come on man, work with me here. You know damn well a none scaled image on a desktop monitor will look fine compared to a 40 inch LCD.

shaft wrote:nevermind..my pc monitor dropped to 720..but apparently it scales better than ur samsung...pwnt?

Not really pwnt. Your monitor is displaying a native res of 720p. Which means even 1080p games look the same as 720p. Because thats the highest it can go. Scale that image to 40 inches, then compare a native 1080p display to a 720p display.

o'dium wrote:Debatable, really, depends on the game. So far the 360 has impressed me the most games wise in terms of graphics. Gears, a 720p game, still looks better than most games out now. Bioshock in true 1080p looks stunning.

For films, so far HDDVD and BluRay tie, at 1080p res. Cant tell much difference. Desktop wise, the PS3 was built for 1080p, so the menu (Dashboard) looks stunning on PS3 over HDMI. The 360 dash looks a bit naff over HDMI.

TBH it depends on the game itself dunnit.

But with regards to the PS3, not many games have AA, and nearly all of them are 720p. So when you have a 720p game with zero AA rendering on a 1080p set with a 1080p resolution and zero upscaling, its gonna look shit compared to a 720p image with AA and a decent scaler at 1080p.

PS3 is going to remain a serious competitor once HD-content takes over, the Wii is tossed aside, and Blu-ray becomes the standard (which is looking increasingly likely).

no seriously...your tv has trouble scaling 720 to 1080? A shitload of network television is broadcast in 720p, that sucks for you. i cant imagine what standard def looks like on it.


and my monitors native res is 1920x1200, so it does scale a 720p image...but i agree its not like a 40" tv.

o'dium wrote:Reason being, the PS3 games look awful. I've tried Ratchet, Drakes Fortune etc but they all look like ass on my 40" 1080p sammy and dont know why

lol.

shaft wrote:no seriously...your tv has trouble scaling 720 to 1080? A shitload of network television is broadcast in 720p, that sucks for you. i cant imagine what standard def looks like on it.


and my monitors native res is 1920x1200, so it does scale a 720p image...but i agree its not like a 40" tv.

Erm, 720p content is fine on 360, and streaming to the 360 as well? What are you on about?

Its the PS3 scaler thats the problem. Its a known fact that some PS3 games dont just "work". Take for example COD4, you cant just put the game in and play it in 1080p, no matter what TV you have. With the PS3 option you have to disable various options on the dashboard before it will even play at that res, otherwise it drops to 720p.

The 360 is different. It plays every game at the res you set it to in the dashboard, via scaling. In other words its got a built in scaler which does the job better/nicer than a TV. So even playing a 720p game looks nice, because its upscaled to 1080p (even though its still a 720p image). The PS3 doesn't have this. It just renders the 720p image at 720p, regardless of TV resolution, which is why they look like arse in most cases.

o'dium wrote:

shaft wrote:no seriously...your tv has trouble scaling 720 to 1080? A shitload of network television is broadcast in 720p, that sucks for you. i cant imagine what standard def looks like on it.


and my monitors native res is 1920x1200, so it does scale a 720p image...but i agree its not like a 40" tv.

Erm, 720p content is fine on 360, and streaming to the 360 as well? What are you on about?

Its the PS3 scaler thats the problem. Its a known fact that some PS3 games dont just "work". Take for example COD4, you cant just put the game in and play it in 1080p, no matter what TV you have. With the PS3 option you have to disable various options on the dashboard before it will even play at that res, otherwise it drops to 720p.

The 360 is different. It plays every game at the res you set it to in the dashboard, via scaling. In other words its got a built in scaler which does the job better/nicer than a TV. So even playing a 720p game looks nice, because its upscaled to 1080p (even though its still a 720p image). The PS3 doesn't have this. It just renders the 720p image at 720p, regardless of TV resolution, which is why they look like arse in most cases.

you talk about this like you know, like you were on the deve team for the PS3 and Samsung. in reality you don't, you're just guessing.
case in point, everyone hates you for it.

DB, the PS3 lacks a hardware scaler. The 360 has one.

What more do you need to know?

i need to know where you obtained the technical specs which detail the information about said scaler.
and i need you to know, after all this is said and done this just just your opinion, not facts.

o'dium wrote:

shaft wrote:no seriously...your tv has trouble scaling 720 to 1080? A shitload of network television is broadcast in 720p, that sucks for you. i cant imagine what standard def looks like on it.


and my monitors native res is 1920x1200, so it does scale a 720p image...but i agree its not like a 40" tv.

Erm, 720p content is fine on 360, and streaming to the 360 as well? What are you on about?

Its the PS3 scaler thats the problem. Its a known fact that some PS3 games dont just "work". Take for example COD4, you cant just put the game in and play it in 1080p, no matter what TV you have. With the PS3 option you have to disable various options on the dashboard before it will even play at that res, otherwise it drops to 720p.

The 360 is different. It plays every game at the res you set it to in the dashboard, via scaling. In other words its got a built in scaler which does the job better/nicer than a TV. So even playing a 720p game looks nice, because its upscaled to 1080p (even though its still a 720p image). The PS3 doesn't have this. It just renders the 720p image at 720p, regardless of TV resolution, which is why they look like arse in most cases.

what are you getting at? quit trying to force the ps3 to scale to 1080p and let the chip in your 2k tv do it. youre going around in circles unless youre trying to tell me the 360 scales better than both your tv and ps3.

I think shaft doesn't have a clue what I'm on about, and DB just likes to be a prick for the sake of it.

But anyway, here:

http://www.joystiq.com/2007/01/05/meet- ... re-scaler/

The point is, 360 has a dedicated hardware chip that upscales any game regardless of res to 1080p, the PS3 does not.

So a game in 720p on 360 looks a lot better than a game in 720p on PS3.

Fact.

on a 1080p screen

I know the ps3 outputs whatever resolution the game support...in drakes case its 720p. But i assumed from your first post is that you were letting the ps3 output it at 720p and you were letting your expensive tv scale it like you should....but then you go on to say that you are unchecking everything but 1080p in the ps3 settings thus forcing the ps3 to scale the 720p image to 1080p..instead of just letting it output 720 and having your expensive tv do it.

ps3 scaler is shit..we get it..use the scaler in your tv.

Even then, PS3 games mostly lack AA. So playing a game in 720p with zero AA is a lot uglier than playing a game in 720p with AA.

Regardless of what does the scaling.

update;

MS considers BluRay support.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20080108/tc_ ... G4ZQ8K77EF

going down gracefully, i'd say

BetaNews [10 Jan 2008 09:23:03]: Variety: Universal prepares to jump ship for Blu-ray
URL: http://www.betanews.com/article/Variety ... 1199974983
Description: The entertainment industry publication Daily Variety is reporting this morning that Universal is preparing to gracefully back out of its commitment to the HD DVD format.

lol

Wow. Game over, HD DVD.

shaft wrote:BetaNews [10 Jan 2008 09:23:03]: Variety: Universal prepares to jump ship for Blu-ray
URL: http://www.betanews.com/article/Variety ... 1199974983
Description: The entertainment industry publication Daily Variety is reporting this morning that Universal is preparing to gracefully back out of its commitment to the HD DVD format.

5:00 pm ET January 10, 2008 -- Universal Studios has officially dispelled the rumors from Variety that it will drop HD DVD and switch to Blu-ray.

lol updated.

hmmmmmmmmm...may still be hope...