EU constitution

Post by **Massive Quasars** » Tue Feb 22, 2005 6:05 pm

Is it shit or not?

I heard it doesn't mention god, and some biblethumpers were offended by that. Is it really an impressive document?

Post by **MKJ** » Tue Feb 22, 2005 7:51 pm

it better not mention god. this is a constitution written in the 21st century for cock's sake. having yer country run in the name of god is so passe

Post by **Massive Quasars** » Tue Feb 22, 2005 8:00 pm

Yes, it is 2005. For god sake's, leave the references to religion out of your constitution. kthnx.

Post by **Canidae** » Tue Feb 22, 2005 8:03 pm

Massive Quasars wrote:Yes, it is 2005. For god sake's, leave the references to religion out of your constitution. kthnx.

Arab countries too?

Post by **MKJ** » Tue Feb 22, 2005 8:08 pm

Canidae wrote:
Massive Quasars wrote:Yes, it is 2005. For god sake's, leave the references to religion out of your constitution. kthnx.
Arab countries too?

cause they are european, indeed

Post by **MKJ** » Tue Feb 22, 2005 8:11 pm

Massive Quasars wrote:Yes, it is 2005. For god sake's, leave the references to religion out of your constitution. kthnx.

you know what i mean
obviously it should say summat like "everyone has a right to choose his own religion, or none".
but to have something like "everyone should live life with a devotion for God" or summat like current constitutions do - which were written in the dark ages, mostly - is just homophobic, IMO

hence the phrase "having your country run in the name of god is so passe"

(these constitutional laws are totally fictious, of course. just trying to get a point across)

Post by **Ryoki** » Tue Feb 22, 2005 8:14 pm

I for one know shit about it, and blame the EU propaganda institutions of failure to educate the masses.

Post by **Massive Quasars** » Tue Feb 22, 2005 8:19 pm

MKJ wrote: you know what i mean
obviously it should say summat like "everyone has a right to choose his own religion, or none".
but to have something like "everyone should live life with a devotion for God" or summat like current constitutions do - which were written in the dark ages, mostly - is just homophobic, IMO
hence the phrase "having your country run in the name of god is so passe"

(these constitutional laws are totally fictious, of course. just trying to get a point across)

I'm not ridiculing you. I'd prefer no mention of god in the constitution. I'd like to see a strict seperation of religion and state.

Post by **MKJ** » Tue Feb 22, 2005 8:21 pm

Massive Quasars wrote: I'm not ridiculing you. I'd prefer no mention of god in the constitution. I'd like to see a strict seperation of religion and state.

oh in that case, hail
i thought you were being sarcastic, with the "kthx" at the end and "not having references to religion for the sake of god"

Post by **Massive Quasars** » Tue Feb 22, 2005 8:23 pm

Canidae wrote: Arab countries too?

Sure. I don't think the US can force it on them though.

Post by **Pext** » Tue Feb 22, 2005 9:43 pm

europe is great :icon14:

we just need to convince the brits of it and things will start rolling :icon14:

Post by **Eraser** » Tue Feb 22, 2005 9:51 pm

Ryoki wrote:I for one know shit about it, and blame the EU propaganda institutions of failure to educate the masses.

Truth. How the hell am I supposed to form an opinion and vote about something of which I don't even know what it means

Post by **Canidae** » Tue Feb 22, 2005 9:52 pm

Eraser wrote:
Ryoki wrote:I for one know shit about it, and blame the EU propaganda institutions of failure to educate the masses.
Truth. How the hell am I supposed to form an opinion and vote about something of which I don't even know what it means

Maybe you're not...

Post by **Massive Quasars** » Tue Feb 22, 2005 9:53 pm

Pext wrote:europe is great :icon14:

we just need to convince the brits of it and things will start rolling :icon14:

Europe is good, not great.

They don't always respect individual freedoms. Also the EU economy is somewhat stagnant. I joke about lazy socialism, but I'm not that far off the mark.

Post by **SplishSplash** » Tue Feb 22, 2005 9:54 pm

Nobody really cares about the god stuff. God lives at the church for 99.999999 of all european people.

The really scary issue is that a constitution would be another step towards the political union.

Post by **Massive Quasars** » Tue Feb 22, 2005 9:55 pm

The German economy contracted by 0.2% recently.

Post by **Pext** » Tue Feb 22, 2005 9:59 pm

Massive Quasars wrote:The German economy contracted by 0.2% recently.

your penis contracted by 50% recently

actually the growth of economy was .2% smaller than last year...

Post by **SplishSplash** » Tue Feb 22, 2005 10:02 pm

Massive Quasars wrote:The German economy contracted by 0.2% recently.

You start taking your mongoloid brother to dates and see how much pussy you'll get.

Post by **Eraser** » Tue Feb 22, 2005 10:02 pm

Canidae wrote:
Eraser wrote:
Ryoki wrote:I for one know shit about it, and blame the EU propaganda institutions of failure to educate the masses.
Truth. How the hell am I supposed to form an opinion and vote about something of which I don't even know what it means
Maybe you're not...

I am. Here in the Netherlands they're going to hold a referendum among the Dutch people to see what we want, just like they did in Spain. But I'm not going to vote because I know fuckall about that constitution.

Post by **Massive Quasars** » Tue Feb 22, 2005 10:04 pm

Read up Eraser, and decide. There is this internet.

Post by **Pext** » Tue Feb 22, 2005 10:05 pm

Massive Quasars wrote:
Pext wrote:europe is great :icon14:

we just need to convince the brits of it and things will start rolling :icon14:
Europe is good, not great.

They don't always respect individual freedoms.

hm... i had no problems so far. what are you talking about in detail?

Post by **Massive Quasars** » Tue Feb 22, 2005 10:09 pm

SplishSplash wrote:
Massive Quasars wrote:The German economy contracted by 0.2% recently.
You start taking your mongoloid brother to dates and see how much pussy you'll get.

Wtf is up with you two? Closet socialists? (edit: jk, I know splish gets pissed off when I make fun of him.)

Pext, I'll check again.

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=s ... nomygrowth

I'm not sure, but essentially the German economy is flat atm.

Post by **HM-PuFFNSTuFF** » Tue Feb 22, 2005 10:10 pm

I don't see any god stuff in there, but I haven't read the whole thing....

http://www.statewatch.org/news/2003/aug ... partI1.pdf

Post by **Massive Quasars** » Tue Feb 22, 2005 10:14 pm

Pext wrote: hm... i had no problems so far. what are you talking about in detail?

Laws infringing on freedom of speech over offensive remarks, political correctness gone too far.

The french law banning the wearing of muslim hijab in government institutions.

Various issues relating to supplement rights.

etc.

Post by **Pext** » Tue Feb 22, 2005 11:04 pm

hm . i think perception of what is important for individual freedom is different - actually the banning of the hijab - and christian crosses as well - in official places was established to protect everyones right to have his own religion. as the government must remain neutral for this concern, his employees are not to display their beliefs while at duty.
... - it was immanuel kant who stated, that freedom needs strict separation of government and religion.

same goes for the perception of democracy, as mane europeans would call the us election system undemocratic