Q4 MP bot

Post by **prince1000** » Sun Dec 11, 2005 7:14 pm

http://quake4.filefront.com/file/Sabota8;52204#Download

and http://esreality.com/?a=post&id=955260

to get it working with tmp maps (tho info is in the readme)

Post by **twism** » Sun Dec 11, 2005 9:00 pm

Isn't there a way to get it to run on a mod like q4max..... at least with bright skins?

those normal skins are terrible.

-- I know thats an old topic... but I dont have broadband, so havn't really played the game

EDIT: never mind..... saw how to do it in the link

Twis

Post by **prince1000** » Sun Dec 11, 2005 9:27 pm

oops, meant to put that in there as well:

copy pak002.pk4 from c:\q4\q4max to sabot dir and rename to z-brightskin.pk4.

Post by **booker** » Sun Dec 11, 2005 11:41 pm

not bad. makes me ask, why didn't raven make them?

Post by **jester!** » Sun Dec 11, 2005 11:57 pm

Like most other things no time I imagine...

Post by **ensiform** » Mon Dec 12, 2005 3:01 am

because its cheating? i see nothing wrong with normal models :x

Post by **jester!** » Mon Dec 12, 2005 3:04 am

Talking about the bright skins?

Because the textures shouldnt contribute to your ability to see your opponent? Because blending in to the background makes for a less skilled game?

There are some areas where the little zombie or whatever it is is impossible to see at range, and without force model is just lame.

Of course there are others who would like everyone to be running around in the shadows hiding from eachother.

Post by **ensiform** » Mon Dec 12, 2005 3:07 am

yes i am, i refuse to use bright skins sry. i prefer the game to run like sp.

Post by **Tormentius** » Mon Dec 12, 2005 3:50 am

jester! wrote:
Because the textures shouldnt contribute to your ability to see your opponent? Because blending in to the background makes for a less skilled game?

Some of us view utilizing light and the environment to an advantage as a skill. No textures and brightskins doesn't necessarily make the game more skill-based it's simply a preference some have IMO.

Post by **Foo** » Mon Dec 12, 2005 3:56 am

Yep, it's just a preference.

Post by **jester!** » Mon Dec 12, 2005 4:00 am

Yep as I said, some want to run around and hide in shadows, to each his own as long as we all have the option to pick for ourselves.

Full brights for me however. :icon26:

Post by **Foo** » Mon Dec 12, 2005 4:16 am

choice is good, but in the context of the MP game it needs to be dictated at the server level whether brightskins are permitted. Allowing people to use brightskins on any server is counterproductive.

Post by **Tormentius** » Mon Dec 12, 2005 4:22 am

Foo wrote:choice is good, but in the context of the MP game it needs to be dictated at the server level whether brightskins are permitted. Allowing people to use brightskins on any server is counterproductive.

Quite agreed.

Post by **jester!** » Mon Dec 12, 2005 4:29 am

Foo wrote:choice is good, but in the context of the MP game it needs to be dictated at the server level whether brightskins are permitted. Allowing people to use brightskins on any server is counterproductive.

I think for the most part the sub communities really decide for themselves.

Duelers/TDM/CTF, the more competitive focused are really all going to go with bright skins. Look at the major mods in q4 at the moment and you can see the trend.

RA3 was the only one where I think some people would go against using the brightskins even though everyone had access to them.

Really the only group that isnt going to go the brightskin route is FFA imo, or some reality type mods. When I play against the Q3 bots I run a nice config, full graphics, no bright skins, no force models, shadows, AA and all that, because its fun to run around the cool looking maps and shoot at the great models. Online though shadows and hiding dont fit into how I, and going by the mod trends are shaping up, the majority of players, want to play.

Post by **catphone** » Mon Dec 12, 2005 6:39 am

twism wrote:Isn't there a way to get it to run on a mod like q4max..... at least with bright skins?

those normal skins are terrible. -- I know thats an old topic... but I dont have broadband, so havn't really played the game

EDIT: never mind..... saw how to do it in the link

Twis

put all of x-battle files in sabot folder,q4max or other mods do the same,it works fine,oh this is my answerd on SABOT forum

http://www.oakbots.co.uk/forums/viewtopic.php?p=162#162

Post by **prince1000** » Mon Dec 12, 2005 5:04 pm

ensiform wrote:because its cheating? i see nothing wrong with normal models :x

ok then i guess i shouldn't be playing with a tweaked cfg at all and just suffer with my outdated computer and 20 fps. and shit, better contact the cpl, ggl, and the mappers of the fps mappacks and tell them to stop cheating too. q4max, cheaters...x-battle, cheaters...and so on...

Post by **Foo** » Mon Dec 12, 2005 10:50 pm

jester! wrote:
Foo wrote:choice is good, but in the context of the MP game it needs to be dictated at the server level whether brightskins are permitted. Allowing people to use brightskins on any server is counterproductive.
I think for the most part the sub communities really decide for themselves.

Duelers/TDM/CTF, the more competitive focused are really all going to go with bright skins. Look at the major mods in q4 at the moment and you can see the trend.

RA3 was the only one where I think some people would go against using the brightskins even though everyone had access to them.

Really the only group that isnt going to go the brightskin route is FFA imo, or some reality type mods. When I play against the Q3 bots I run a nice config, full graphics, no bright skins, no force models, shadows, AA and all that, because its fun to run around the cool looking maps and shoot at the great models. Online though shadows and hiding dont fit into how I, and going by the mod trends are shaping up, the majority of players, want to play.

That's not really what I was getting at.

My point was that if you have an online game running where brightskins are simultaneously off by default but able to be enabled by each player, then actually the notion of having a free choice on whether to use them or not is BS.

Why? Because if you put a player not using brightskins up against a player using brightskins, the latter has a definable advantage. The end result of this as we've seen with Q3 OSP is that you either use brightskins online all the time, or you get left behind.

Now the response that usually comes at this point is that there are tons of other factors which are just like this: Picmip levels, gamma settings, maxpackets... and that is true, however just because these existing - and perhaps unavoidable - imbalances are available to be taken advantage of that doesn't follow that another one should be introduced.

There are more 'correct' ways to implement brightskins in an online game/mod which ensures it's kept fair for all players regardless of their preference or level of knowledge in the game, which are one of either:
* Leave them out entirely
* Fix them in permanently
* Set them as a votable option on the server which when turned on is applied to everyone

Personally I see the last option as offering the most flexibility.