New parts on the way....

Post by **YourGrandpa** » Tue Jan 10, 2006 4:51 am

Well I got my ASUS A8NSLI Deluxe and AMD 64 4000+ sold. Today I ordered my new CPU and Mobo. I got the ASUS A8N32 and a Opteron 175. The parts should be here next week because the mobo is on back ordered.

I can't wait. :icon25:

Post by **dzjepp** » Tue Jan 10, 2006 7:38 am

Post by **Oeloe** » Tue Jan 10, 2006 12:41 pm

Opteron!

Post by **MidnightQ4** » Wed Jan 11, 2006 12:12 am

i got an opti 170, haven't had time to oc it yet.

Guest · Post by **Guest** » Wed Jan 11, 2006 12:38 am

How's opteron for games?

Post by **Psyche911** » Wed Jan 11, 2006 1:37 am

As good as a San Diego for games...

Post by **Oeloe** » Wed Jan 11, 2006 2:54 am

ToxicBug wrote:How's opteron for games?

With the OC you can reach, better than the Athlon 64 and FX.

Post by **YourGrandpa** » Wed Jan 11, 2006 5:28 am

I've heard that you can O/c the shit out of the opterons. I already have a one of these...

(Termaltake Big Typhoon)

But since my new mobo comes with a setup for water cooling, I might pick up a water cooling system.

Guest · Post by **Guest** » Wed Jan 11, 2006 3:44 pm

Btw, why did u get a dual core? Don't they suck for gaming? And is the opteron 246 good?

Post by **Tormentius** » Wed Jan 11, 2006 6:09 pm

ToxicBug wrote:Btw, why did u get a dual core? Don't they suck for gaming?

Read that again and think it through for a minute. You're suggesting that having two CPUs to load balance app and OS threads across is less efficient than one :icon27:

Post by **Grudge** » Wed Jan 11, 2006 8:20 pm

I've upped my 3800+ to 2.4GHz (240x10), I haven't tried stretching the limits, I like that nice even number. I heard those Opterons will almost guaranteed go up to 2.6-2.8 on air cooling.

Post by **YourGrandpa** » Wed Jan 11, 2006 11:43 pm

I had my 4000+ at 2,910 with the O/S O/c utility with air cooling and that wasn't the peak. I could've got more out of the CPU since it never went over 52c.

Post by **YourGrandpa** » Wed Jan 11, 2006 11:46 pm

ToxicBug wrote:Btw, why did u get a dual core? Don't they suck for gaming? And is the opteron 246 good?

In order to run two monitors with SLI, I have to use a 3rd video card. Plus, I'm always running Team Speak and a command console while playing a game. So I think I will surely benefit from the second core.

Guest · Post by **Guest** » Thu Jan 12, 2006 4:57 am

Tormentius wrote:
ToxicBug wrote:Btw, why did u get a dual core? Don't they suck for gaming?
Read that again and think it through for a minute. You're suggesting that having two CPUs to load balance app and OS threads across is less efficient than one :icon27:

Well one of my friends bought a 3.0ghz dual core Intel for $450 and I built a computer with a 3500+ for $265 for my other friend, and the 3500+ got much better fps than the dual core Intel, with the same exact video card.

Post by **Tormentius** » Thu Jan 12, 2006 7:41 am

ToxicBug wrote:
Well one of my friends bought a 3.0ghz dual core Intel for $450 and I built a computer with a 3500+ for $265 for my other friend, and the 3500+ got much better fps than the dual core Intel, with the same exact video card.

So you're deciding on the performance of all dual core systems based on your AMD system (which contains a higher rated processor) vs a an Intel system, both containing different hardware and having different chipsets. Think it through again.

Post by **YourGrandpa** » Fri Jan 13, 2006 3:14 am

I should have everything Monday.

Guest · Post by **Guest** » Fri Jan 13, 2006 3:52 am

Tormentius wrote:
ToxicBug wrote:
Well one of my friends bought a 3.0ghz dual core Intel for $450 and I built a computer with a 3500+ for $265 for my other friend, and the 3500+ got much better fps than the dual core Intel, with the same exact video card.
So you're deciding on the performance of all dual core systems based on your AMD system (which contains a higher rated processor) vs a an Intel system, both containing different hardware and having different chipsets. Think it through again.

The dual core cost $200 more but it performs worse in games. Hmm I wonder which one I'll take for gaming.

Post by **Tormentius** » Fri Jan 13, 2006 4:04 am

ToxicBug wrote:
The dual core cost $200 more but it performs worse in games. Hmm I wonder which one I'll take for gaming.

The CPU wasn't the deciding factor in that equation. For once, would you just actually learn about something before posting drivel? It'd be a really pleasant change.

Guest · Post by **Guest** » Fri Jan 13, 2006 4:54 am

Tormentius wrote:
ToxicBug wrote:
The dual core cost $200 more but it performs worse in games. Hmm I wonder which one I'll take for gaming.
The CPU wasn't the deciding factor in that equation. For once, would you just actually learn about something before posting drivel? It'd be a really pleasant change.

they only have different motherboards, everything else is the same.
:icon27:

Post by **Tormentius** » Fri Jan 13, 2006 6:42 am

ToxicBug wrote:
they only have different motherboards, everything else is the same.
:icon27:

Memory type, hard drive type and speed, GPU, and most especially chipset all play a role in a system's performance. This is pretty basic.

Guest · Post by **Guest** » Fri Jan 13, 2006 5:47 pm

the amd has DDR1, the intel has DDR2, same hdd, both over SATA, same GPU, different chipset. So, according to you, a different chipset will make a 30% difference in performance. right.

Post by **Underpants?** » Fri Jan 13, 2006 6:09 pm

YourGrandpa wrote:Well I got my ASUS A8NSLI Deluxe and AMD 64 4000+ sold. Today I ordered my new CPU and Mobo. I got the ASUS A8N32 and a Opteron 175. The parts should be here next week because the mobo is on back ordered.

I can't wait. :icon25:

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Post by **prince1000** » Fri Jan 13, 2006 6:20 pm

Tormentius wrote:
ToxicBug wrote:
they only have different motherboards, everything else is the same.
:icon27:
Memory type, hard drive type and speed, GPU, and most especially chipset all play a role in a system's performance. This is pretty basic.

im kind of hearing the same thing from a friend that has done more research than i. dual core more for multimedia video editing people but gamers get more bang for buck with single process apps....we all know how wel smp works in q4...

are there any comparison sheets to see evidence of this or the contrary??

Post by **Tormentius** » Fri Jan 13, 2006 6:39 pm

ToxicBug wrote:the amd has DDR1, the intel has DDR2, same hdd, both over SATA, same GPU, different chipset. So, according to you, a different chipset will make a 30% difference in performance. right.

Its like talking to chalk...

One of the CPUs is a 3.2 dual core while the other is an AMD 3500 (rated as the equivalent of a 3.5ghz Intel processor). That difference in CPU speed, coupled with a different chipset can significantly change the numbers, especially on a CPU dependent game which isn't multithreaded. You'll see greater performance increases for dual cores on a multithreaded game such as the patched Q4 with SMP support enabled (and Q4's multithreading implementation still isn't wondrous). The second core is mostly a help in multithreaded applications like the XP, Office, most new AV apps, etc. If a process isn't multithreaded then it can only take advantage of a single core. At that point, the only efficiency benefit is the fact that Windows is able to offload other app's threads to the second core to balance the load the single-threaded game is placing on the first. Is that a little more clear?

Post by **GODLIKE** » Sun Jan 15, 2006 12:05 am

Tormentius wrote:
Its like talking to chalk...

Chalk doesn't talk. (Duh.)

Many drivers still don't "get" dual core, I think. But it's not the dual core functionality of the current dual core CPUs that are holding them down; dual core is clearly and unmistakably the future. Expect Quad-core CPUs on the not too distant horizon.

I have an AMD X2 CPU in my gaming PC.. and it's pretty badassed. Mostly, I don't notice a difference between single and dual core CPUs when I game; I notice it when I'm multitasking on the desktop. However: if you've read what's coming in the beta patches for Q4, and kept an eye on your driver update readmes.. you can see that dual core is going to EAT single core, soon.

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