omg, girl charged for sex abuse on herself

Post by **Iccy** » Sun Feb 04, 2007 2:25 am

now this is fucking hilarious

http://www.usatoday.com/tech/webguide/i ... porn_x.htm

Post by **tnf** » Sun Feb 04, 2007 2:28 am

the possession part maybe. but there is the bigger picture - she's posting them on the net, so it doesn't matter if she's willing or not or if she took them or not, she is posting pics of child porn on the net. I don't know that she should be arrested though - they should use the pics to go after the pedo's that were downloading them knowing she was under age.

Post by **menkent** » Sun Feb 04, 2007 2:29 am

might also be other under-age peeps in some of the pics.

Post by **Turing** » Sun Feb 04, 2007 2:41 am

lol, I doubt that a fifteen year old girl was taking pics of guys she was fucking too, she's probably just another webcam whore. Pretty funny shit, but sort of fucked up. Self-abuse, lol.

Her parents should be charged with negligence for letting her show her titties off on the internets.

Post by **saibot** » Sun Feb 04, 2007 2:48 am

so if i was underage and took a picture of my balls (which i do often) i could be charged with possession of child pornography?

Post by **Turing** » Sun Feb 04, 2007 2:50 am

Yep. Better hope you don't put it in your photobucket or you're responsible for dissemination, too.

Post by **Massive Quasars** » Sun Feb 04, 2007 2:57 am

give me a break

It IS worth getting the authorities involved imo, but those charges are ridiculous.

She has been charged with sexual abuse of children, possession of child pornography and dissemination of child pornography.

The last one could stick, the rest are nonsense. The law as it's written clearly doesn't accomodate for this kind of underage self-exposure, perhaps it should, so that these children can be dealt with appropriately rather than with excessive harshness as one would expect from the scape-goating pedophile trip the US seems to be on as of late.

Post by **Massive Quasars** » Sun Feb 04, 2007 3:01 am

In her case, perhaps a good talking to and compulsory counselling to hash out some issues would do.

Post by **tnf** » Sun Feb 04, 2007 3:14 am

Disregarding the issues with this case, MQ it sounds a bit like you don't agree with extremely aggressive pursuit of pedophiles? Is there a philosophical reason for this, or am I misinterpreting your post?

Post by **Massive Quasars** » Sun Feb 04, 2007 3:16 am

tnf wrote:Disregarding the issues with this case, MQ it sounds a bit like you don't agree with extremely aggressive pursuit of pedophiles? Is there a philosophical reason for this, or am I misinterpreting your post?

Extreme aggresiveness in it's own right needs to be judged against consequences (weighing discernable good and bad outcomes), with decisions made accordingly. I don't see that happening in the US atm.

Post by **Turing** » Sun Feb 04, 2007 3:19 am

That much I have to agree with, shit like this has been overreacted toward for quite some time. There was the story of the kid recently who got charged because spyware left his computer open to being hijacked and the hijacking was done by child pornographers - the kid ended up getting charged with 9 counts of child porn, and if he hadn't been saved by 20/20 raising a fuss he could likely have gone to jail for 10 years per infraction.

Each infraction, btw, was a fucking single jpg.

Post by **tnf** » Sun Feb 04, 2007 3:20 am

I see extreme aggressiveness warranted in any case where children are victims of living a virtual 'sex slave' life - or situations where repeat offenders are targeting them for personal encounters.

I haven't followed the prosecutorial and law enforcement trends closely enough to know if they are weighing discernable good and bad outcomes in most cases. What exactly do you mean by a bad outcome in this context?

Post by **Massive Quasars** » Sun Feb 04, 2007 3:21 am

I saw that Turing. Case in fucking point, and it's happening all too often across the US.

Post by **Massive Quasars** » Sun Feb 04, 2007 3:24 am

tnf wrote:I see extreme aggressiveness warranted in any case where children are victims of living a virtual 'sex slave' life - or situations where repeat offenders are targeting them for personal encounters.

I haven't followed the prosecutorial and law enforcement trends closely enough to know if they are weighing discernable good and bad outcomes in most cases. What exactly do you mean by a bad outcome in this context?

Take one approach, not seriously suggested, but for the sake of argument. Let's say we choose to execute repeat or serious first-time sexual offenders, one would assume this would lead to fewer sexual offenders/predators and fewer sexual offenses. The downside would be that those sexual offenses that take place would more likely lead to the murder of the victim following that offense. There are a host of other potential side effects and unreflected upon consequences, but there appears to be hardly any reflection when these laws are written and passed.

Post by **tnf** » Sun Feb 04, 2007 3:25 am

Does this scenario happen?

Teens make some sex vid and post it on a video sharing site. Some business man family guy is searching for regular porn on said site and comes across (pun inteded) that teeny video without ever knowing it is child porn by definition. Authorities become aware of vid, determine who viewed and or downloaded, and prosecute. So guy gets charged for not realizing he was seeing a 16 year old instead of an 18 year old.

Post by **l0g1c** » Sun Feb 04, 2007 3:27 am

:loli:

Post by **mjrpes** » Sun Feb 04, 2007 3:35 am

Soon, kids will be arrested for possessing themselves.

Post by **tnf** » Sun Feb 04, 2007 3:45 am

there will probably be a dateline NBC special that involves them busting into a house and catching a kid flogging his bishop and having him busted for child molestation.

Post by **Fender** » Sun Feb 04, 2007 5:42 am

tnf wrote:Does this scenario happen?

Yes, I'm pretty sure it has. Especially since every fucking post on usenet starts w/ "naked teen" regardless if they are 17 or 45.

Post by **7zark7** » Sun Feb 04, 2007 5:48 am

tnf wrote:there will probably be a dateline NBC special that involves them busting into a house and catching a kid flogging his bishop and having him busted for child molestation.

I love that dateline show where they catch those pedo's.

My favorite was when they caught one guy who brought a lunch with him....I almost fell off the couch laughing.

Post by **SplishSplash** » Sun Feb 04, 2007 10:17 am

The US simply has a fucked up definition of "pedophile".

Post by JB » Sun Feb 04, 2007 10:25 am

the thing with this girl is that, according to that account, she wasnt counselled or put into some sort of rehab or anything, they just charged her with a few abuse claims and let her on her way. Dont the authorities have a responsibility to not only stop crime but prevent the same crime from happening?

Post by **seremtan** » Sun Feb 04, 2007 10:31 am

tnf wrote:there will probably be a dateline NBC special that involves them busting into a house and catching a kid flogging his bishop and having him busted for child molestation.

olo

Post by **Turing** » Sun Feb 04, 2007 11:08 am

JB wrote:the thing with this girl is that, according to that account, she wasnt counselled or put into some sort of rehab or anything, they just charged her with a few abuse claims and let her on her way. Dont the authorities have a responsibility to not only stop crime but prevent the same crime from happening?

You don't get arrested for disseminating child pornography and then get "let out on your way." You get put into long prison sentences before long probation periods.

I really want to see a judge try her as an adult. LOL.

Post by JB » Sun Feb 04, 2007 12:10 pm

Turing wrote:
JB wrote:the thing with this girl is that, according to that account, she wasnt counselled or put into some sort of rehab or anything, they just charged her with a few abuse claims and let her on her way. Dont the authorities have a responsibility to not only stop crime but prevent the same crime from happening?
You don't get arrested for disseminating child pornography and then get "let out on your way." You get put into long prison sentences before long probation periods.

but no rehab? No extensive psychiatric assistance?

Turing wrote:I really want to see a judge try her as an adult. LOL.

lol, yeah. It would make my day while at the same time destroying every last thread of respect ive had for the American legal system :P