Game of Thrones book readers

[GONNAFISTYA]

Please place all your endless knowledge of the book's various plot-lines, spoilers and how the books differ from the show in this thread.

You fagg0ts have utterly destroyed the other thread...which is about discussing the episodes of the television program, not how the television program is setting up the book's various plot-lines, spoilers and how the books differ from the show.

[Mat Linnett]

u mad?
To be honest, I'm on the verge of stopping watching it, as it's become somewhat of a travesty, with massive swathes of story missed out in order to get the point across quickly for TV audiences, all while avoiding potentially budget breaking special effects sequences.
Where the first series was quite faithful, the second has quickly become a pale shadow of the book it is based on.

[GONNAFISTYA]

That wasn't so hard.

[Ryoki]

The show is awesome in it's own right, reading about how things should have been done detracts from the experience imo.

And it's borderline spoilerific

[Mat Linnett]

Anyway, if this thread is directed at me in particular, I've been very good with my comments in that thread recently. The ones prior to the "WTF" one were using knowledge of the first book to help explain to people who seemed a little confused about Theon's relationship with the Starks exactly what that relationship is based upon.
If I wanted to be a REAL dick, just imagine the ways I could spoil this for you.

[seremtan]

To be honest, I'm on the verge of stopping watching it, as it's become somewhat of a travesty, with massive swathes of story missed out in order to get the point across quickly for TV audiences, all while avoiding potentially budget breaking special effects sequences.

what works on the page doesn't necessarily work on-screen. i'd have thought this was obvious. you weren't really expecting a scene-by-scene transfer were you? i've only seen that work a few times, and usually only when the original author employs an economy of means that makes it possible (brideshead revisited, no country for old men...)

i'd say it was the understatement of the century to say that whatever other merits the fire and ice books possess, economy of means and efficiency of narrative are not among them, hence their gigantic physical size

[EtUL]

more like game of thrones whiners thred

[Mat Linnett]

And I'd normally agree Seremtan, but several things have changed dramatically for the TV show; none of Dany's bloodriders died in the books for example, and they all went on to play pretty pivotal roles. Dany's dragons didn't get stolen in the book, neither was her retinue slaughtered. This makes me think they're going to skip a whole sequence in Qarth, which to be honest I thought they would have a hard time filming, but it's also the first time you realise how powerful Dany's dragons are.
Besides which, her retinue have a pretty huge part to play in future events, and without people, I find it hard to see how they're going to kick off her whole conqueror arc.

Sure, things have to be abridged for TV, but a lot of this stuff they could have still got across to the viewing public without such divergences.

I'm guessing we won't see the Battle of the Blackwater either due to budget constraints, and it'll all be avoided when Tyrion gets knocked unconscious or somesuch, much like the "Battle" in the first series.

[seremtan]

more like game of thrones whiners thred

Game of Whines?

[menkent]

haha, i can't wait until jeoffrey dies, sansa escapes, myrcella loses an ear, lady stark and her son get murdered, jamie loses a hand but is somehow less of a cockface, and arya joins a death cult. good times.

[Mat Linnett]

lol @ menkent.
See, now THAT'S spoilers.You did miss the big ones regarding the little fella though.

[diablolic]

there is a game of thrones RPG coming out on steam, I wonder how close it will be to the books

[scared?]

haha, i can't wait until jeoffrey dies, sansa escapes, myrcella loses an ear, lady stark and her son get murdered, jamie loses a hand but is somehow less of a cockface, and arya joins a death cult. good times.

Wtf someone ban this moron!...

[Mat Linnett]

Moron alert?
This IS the book readers' thread after all...

[scared?]

so what...ban the dumb ass...

[Tsakali]

We get it, you read books

we are all impressed , now STFU about it... just because it's a book thread doesn't mean that those who are reading them have read up to the point you have....so in essence yes, you two are faggots regardless.

[Mat Linnett]

STFU, book thread

Did you know Tyrion is seemingly falsely accused of poisoning Joffrey and confined to the Black Cells by Cersei?
That his brother Jaime comes to free him with Varys, who then leads him through the tunnels under King's Landing, only for Tyrion to emerge in Tywin's quarters, where he discovers Shae in his father's bed, who he then proceeds to strangle with the Hand's chain of office?
Also, before releasing him, Jaime confides that the girl Tyrion married when he was younger really wasn't a whore, it was just a lie made up by Tywin to spite Tyrion? The result of this conversation is that after killing Shae, Tyrion finds his father on the shitter and promptly shoots him in the guts with a crossbow.
Or how about that Arya will be made blind at the end of the fourth series, but will regain her sight in the very first episode of the fifth?
That all the Stark children have a telepathic connection to their Dire Wolves, with Bran possibly being the strongest in this respect, even able to control Hodor to some extent?

THESE are spoilers (seriously, really don't read the above if you have more willpower than a horny Mayfly). Commenting on how the books differ from the TV series is fuck-all like this.
It's interesting to some of us how TV writing has to differ from the novels in order to be understood by the average slack-jawed Yank, and the short-cuts they've taken to avoid too big a special effects budget.
Moreover, I'd encourage anyone who's enjoying the series to buy or download the books; they're superb, and international bestsellers for a reason, and even though GRR Martin is supposedly "Executive Producer" on the show, you can tell that the books are his real vision of Westeros and its many colourful inhabitants.

[scared?]

someone ban this matt moron...

[Mat Linnett]

Seriously?
You read that even after I told you not to?

[TruthfulLiar]

haha, i can't wait until jeoffrey dies, sansa escapes, myrcella loses an ear, lady stark and her son get murdered, jamie loses a hand but is somehow less of a cockface, and arya joins a death cult. good times.

[U4EA]

Where do whores go?

[menkent]

Please place all your endless knowledge of the book's various plot-lines, spoilers and how the books differ from the show in this thread.

if you haven't read the books (all of them) and read anything in this thread after the sentence above, then i assume you want to know what happens or already know.

ps- Tyrion gets the plague
pps- eat a bag of dicks

[U4EA]

Massive spoilers ahead, do not read if you haven't read up until the end of book 5.

So I found the following piece of speculation / fan theory in some Reddit thread, and it makes a hell lot of sense to me.

My absolute favorite one is the Game of Thrones fan theories about Jon Snow. While in the books (don't watch the show, but I would assume there too) it's believed by everyone that he's Eddard Stark's son by some unknown woman, the fan theory states that he's actually the son of Lyanna Stark and Rhaegar Targaryen (Rhaegar's abduction of Lyanna sparked the overthrow of the Targaryens). That means that he's Daenerys's nephew, an acceptable spouse for her in Targaryen terms, and possibly the legitimate heir to the Iron Throne. It is SUCH a cool plot possibility.
Edit: Extra verbiage; and enough people requested spoiler tags that I added one (though for the curious, it's still a fan theory, and is neither confirmed nor denied by the books).
Edit edit: also a spoilery edit People are correctly pointing out that this would make Daenerys Jon's aunt, not his cousin as I had originally typed. D'oh. As for questions of legitimacy, Dany can't inherit by primogeniture--she's a woman. It could be argued that Aegon Targaryen would be the legitimate heir, as he is the oldest legitimate male descendant of Mad Aerys, however Jon could have a reasonable claim if he's older than Aegon, though it would be imperfect because he was born out of wedlock. But of course, in the GoT universe, legitimacy is only half your battle, and the other half is being awesome.
Edit edit edit: For the people who are joining in late, there are also craptons of spoilers in the comments. Don't read them.

[MKJ]

more like game of thrones whiners thred

Game of Whines?

Brace yourselves; Whiners are coming.

[Captain]

Reading Clash of Kings again