where are AMD's these days? AM3+ FM2+ what should I get

[Tsakali]

anyone still a fan of AMD? what mobo/cpu/mempory should I be going after? I have an old AM3 with phenom 2 right now.... would like to upgrade my mobo to AM3+ just so i can get full potential from my new SSD, but once I started reading up on things, I'm getting the impression that I am way behind the curve, and I can't even keep things in perspective.

[Pext]

i got myself an intel 3k700 1080p king IV. or whatever... it's running fast

[Captain]

Unless all you're gonna do is check emails and look at souvlaki porn, go for Intel instead.

[losCHUNK]

Aye stay away from AMD processors if you play games. You might be better off upgrading to more cores instead of a board change ?

[Tsakali]

the board change will allow me to keep everything erlse the same ... a cpu change will mean cpu/mobo/mem upgrade.
Not that I couldn't do it, it just that I'm pretty convinced it will be wasted on me.

come to think of it, my 840 pro 256 samsung ssd was a luxury upgrade to begin with... I am kind of trying to keep that bolder from really taking off down that slope of unnecessary/forced upgrades.

i completely overlooked the fact that I'm runnning a 3gb sata instead of a 6gb.. so now I have a fancy ssd that does only half of what it can do

[losCHUNK]

Well last I checked the Bulldozer / a6 / FX still gets its arse kicked by the phenom II in some scenarios, when placed against similiar clock speeds.

So unless you can upgrade the CPU on your board to a better phenom II then I'd be looking at sticking with what I have or looking into acquiring an i5. By the time AMD have sorted out their performance issues they would have probably moved onto to a socket beyond whats available now anyway so just don't expect a huge benefit if that's what you had in mind.

Obviously it'd make sense to upgrade if you got bottlenecked components

[Pext]

remember back in the day when amd was a gamers first choice?

[losCHUNK]

I prefer their cards now, coming from an ex nvidia / 3dfx fanboi. Also the idea behind the llano chipsets is pretty cool.

Actually the only decent processors I remember from AMD was the XP and the Duron ?, and both of those was because the trade off in price for performance was justified and didn't excuse the fact they run like toasters

[Captain]

the board change will allow me to keep everything erlse the same ... a cpu change will mean cpu/mobo/mem upgrade.
Not that I couldn't do it, it just that I'm pretty convinced it will be wasted on me.

come to think of it, my 840 pro 256 samsung ssd was a luxury upgrade to begin with... I am kind of trying to keep that bolder from really taking off down that slope of unnecessary/forced upgrades.

i completely overlooked the fact that I'm runnning a 3gb sata instead of a 6gb.. so now I have a fancy ssd that does only half of what it can do

An SSD is not a luxury, it should be a necessity in any rig. Maybe you could tell us your expectations for the PC? High-end gaming, rendering, etc.

[scared?]

Lol yet another poor ppl thread...

[Tsakali]

the board change will allow me to keep everything erlse the same ... a cpu change will mean cpu/mobo/mem upgrade.
Not that I couldn't do it, it just that I'm pretty convinced it will be wasted on me.

come to think of it, my 840 pro 256 samsung ssd was a luxury upgrade to begin with... I am kind of trying to keep that bolder from really taking off down that slope of unnecessary/forced upgrades.

i completely overlooked the fact that I'm runnning a 3gb sata instead of a 6gb.. so now I have a fancy ssd that does only half of what it can do

An SSD is not a luxury, it should be a necessity in any rig. Maybe you could tell us your expectations for the PC? High-end gaming, rendering, etc.

i dont play video games anymore, I just use photoshop, and web development tools. I just want my OS and photoshop to act a little more on the ball.

Upgrading to all intel crap is going beyond my needs to be honest ... I'd rather return this SSD than be forced to upgrade all my shit just to get what I initially thought was my only noticeable bottleneck... the harddrive

[Tsakali]

so basically what I'm thinking is, the cheapest way for me to get what I want is to just upgrade my motherboard to an am3+ with sata 6gb/s (which will still support my am3 cpu and my memory) and be done with it.... yes/no?

[Tsakali]

So unless you can upgrade the CPU on your board to a better phenom II then I'd be looking at sticking with what I have or looking into acquiring an i5.

what's the logic behind this? the whole point was to try and get this ssd to do it's job without having to spend 500$ to pretty much toss everything else in my box in the trash.

[losCHUNK]

Just get the board en, makes sense

Just don't expect a world of difference if you wanna upgrade the CPU in the future if that's what you had planned, I think that makes less sense. I'd be happy with the Phenom II whilst Intel gets cheaper / AMD gets better and going all out on an upgrade when the time comes

The good news is you can't be that far behind the trend if you got a core that's still kicking arse

edit: in answer to your question you were asking about CPUs and AMD specifically. I'm saying upgrading the CPU is a waste of time unless you can get a much higher clock speed and even then the Phenom II equivalent is still likely better.

You've pretty much answered your own question on everything else, on how to get performance out of an SSD and what you need so that's kinda obvious, which is what I said in the quote thats been chopped.

[Tsakali]

yeah, I think at this point, a 70$ mobo will give me what I want, and yeah it would be only an upgrade to complement the ssd.

so in light of what has been said, Im ok with the fact that getting a AM3+ mobo is not really a move towards the future.... once there I will be more than willing to toss the entire thing in the bin for all new hardware...
honestly, I never notice any performance issues.... other than accessing the hdd.

I haven't had that feeling of " shit I need to upgrade this system" for years. that's how I gauge that overall my hardware are good enough for what I do.

I just got a little frisky with the hdd situation, and bought a good quality SSD without really researching its requirements. Granted, this SSD even at half it's speed, already feels faster than my mechanical hdd.

[losCHUNK]

I hope you don't really throw it in the trash either :P . Around half of the upgrade costs usually come from old components for me and you won't / should'nt be gutted about a ssd upgrade

I think I seen an i5 bundle for 200 quid the other day, so if you could get 100 for your old hardware ? *plays with scales*

[Tsakali]

bundle? does that mean cpu/mobo/ram?

so I can just say, fuck it, spend a little over 300$ and be up to date for a few more years, or just pay 70$ and enjoy what I have for another year or so (but unless I get into gaming again I really don't see any upgrade requirements in my future for a long while)

hmm, don't egg me on dammit

[Tsakali]

atleast I have gathered here that my future will not be with AMD, atleast not with the current circumstances as they are...so that's something I can sink my teeth into.

[losCHUNK]

bundle? does that mean cpu/mobo/ram?

so I can just say, fuck it, spend a little over 300$ and be up to date for a few more years, or just pay 70$ and enjoy what I have for another year or so (but unless I get into gaming again I really don't see any upgrade requirements in my future for a long while)

hmm, don't egg me on dammit

Haha, I do it to myself.

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/INTEL-Core-i5 ... 1c36e92938

No RAM but that was a quick search , Price up your old components and see what you come up with. Can't see why you wouldn't get close to 100 ?. I know some core2duos are still getting 50-60 in a bundle.

Like you said tho, you prolly wouldn't notice it if you don't get back into gaming. It's just the old cost / benefit scenario

edit: I'm working on GBP prices mind, price in the auction is 210

[shaft]

http://pcpartpicker.com/

[LawL]

anyone still a fan of AMD? what mobo/cpu/mempory should I be going after? I have an old AM3 with phenom 2 right now.... would like to upgrade my mobo to AM3+ just so i can get full potential from my new SSD, but once I started reading up on things, I'm getting the impression that I am way behind the curve, and I can't even keep things in perspective.

T&T

[Tsakali]

wait, am I correct in assuming that my ddr3 240 pin is exactly the same memory i5 mobos use? that might actually steer me to go for the upgrade.

[Pooinyourmouth]

AMD does have some good CPU's out now that not many people seem to know about. The old Zambezi (bulldozer) was not a good CPU but about a year ago they released the Vishera (pile-driver), and it saw a 15% to 25% increase in performance over the last FX chips. I have one and it's a lot faster than my old i7 950 with triple channel memory. The best part is I saved a ton of money on a full featured motherboard for the AMD cpu, since intel's motherboards a grossly overpriced. You can get the same features on a AMD board for about half the price including sata III and usb 3.0 and other features, like a UEFI bois, and better fan controls. Granted the intel cpu's use less power, but if you look the numbers over, it would take a good 3 to 5 years of use with the AMD to close the price gap in power consumption.

[Whiskey 7]

Pooinyourmouth

Been a while

[Pooinyourmouth]

I posted in the breaking bad thread a couple weeks ago I think. I was surprised to see this place still up.