this is quite well done (bush mp3)

[[xeno]Julios]

http://www.archive.org/download/Imagine ... neThis.mp3

more here:

http://www.waxaudio.com.au/

taken from metafilter

[rep]

They could have made it sounded more realistic by doing two things...

You can make a pitch sound correct (NO, not by using a pitch shift, you newbs. If you did that, you'd ruin the formant, thus making it like a chip monk.) and also resampling the time to stretch or shrink it to the appropriate timing.

This is pretty cool, though. If they'd gone through the other steps, people would never know it's a clip-job.

[Transient]

What's the original song that was made from? With the piano and stuff.

[blakjack]

imagine, john lennon

[Transient]

Danke.

[ilum0s]

Hahaha, that's very well done :icon14:

[[xeno]Julios]

They could have made it sounded more realistic by doing two things...

You can make a pitch sound correct (NO, not by using a pitch shift, you newbs. If you did that, you'd ruin the formant, thus making it like a chip monk.) and also resampling the time to stretch or shrink it to the appropriate timing.

This is pretty cool, though. If they'd gone through the other steps, people would never know it's a clip-job.

i dunno - i'd guess the artist purposely chose not to do that. You're right, it would make the voice have more melodic concordancy with the music, but i don't think he wanted that effect.

I think he wanted to leave a sense of the original in the voice.

There are many subtle cues within spoken language, such as intonation. In a way singing and speaking only differ in degree of intonational span (singing = high range of pitches, speaking = low), and melodic complexity (singing = more diversity of pitch-change-patterns)

so - by manipulating the pitch to make it more "realistic", you are losing that information.

[rep]

High ranges don't make singing singing, it's modulating pitch, and slightly modulating the formant.

[[xeno]Julios]

High ranges don't make singing singing, it's modulating pitch, and slightly modulating the formant.

What you said is perfectly compatible with my post.

I'm not arguing that high ranges/pitch modulation alone makes singing, i'm saying that when we speak, we also speak within a range, and modulate our pitch.

It just so happens that in singing, we have higher ranges, and that our pitch modulations are more dynamic and complex. edit: by higher ranges i mean a broader range of pitches that are used, not simply higher pitches

Therefore, speaking is a kind of singing - it is just more of a "monotonous" singing, using pitch modulations and ranges that don't inspire the same range of feelings in a listener.

But just as there is information to be gleaned from the melodies in music (the rise and fall of pitch, specific pitch intervals, etc. - or the chroma and countour), there is information to be gleaned from speech. Some people are more expressive in their speech, some more melodic (I believe the irish accent is considered quite melodic, as are some hindi dialects).

My main point is that if the artist were to tweak the original pitch intonations, which bush's mind generated, then we'd lose that information.

I'm unfamiliar with the concept of formant, but i'm not sure it's relevant to my point.

[[xeno]Julios]

What's the original song that was made from? With the piano and stuff.

the lyrics are almost identical, except for the darker shit @ 4min:

http://www.merseyworld.com/imagine/lyrics/imagine.htm

Imagine there's no heaven,
It's easy if you try,
No hell below us,
Above us only sky,
Imagine all the people
living for today...

Imagine there's no countries,
It isnt hard to do,
Nothing to kill or die for,
No religion too,
Imagine all the people
living life in peace...

Imagine no possesions,
I wonder if you can,
No need for greed or hunger,
A brotherhood of man,
Imagine all the people
Sharing all the world...

You may say Im a dreamer,
but Im not the only one,
I hope some day you'll join us,
And the world will live as one.

[[xeno]Julios]

this one is also excellent:

http://www.archive.org/download/Major_C ... ations.mp3

the music itself is awesome. Wonder if the artist composed it heimself or whether it was from other sources. Halfway through sounds sorta u2ish

[The PlainisT]

johnny