question about weightlifting pain/injury

Post by **werldhed** » Wed Jun 22, 2005 2:00 pm

...for tnf or anyone else in the know...

After training my legs for my marathon for the previous half of the year, I decided to start replacing the mass on my arms and shoulders that had atrophied due to disuse. I also thought it would be a good idea to bulk up a tiny bit for a couple of canoe/backpack trips I have coming up.

Anyway, I started free weights at about 4/5 the weight I had lifted before I stopped to focus on running, and everything went well (although it was obvious that it would be quite a while before I could lift the same amount I had been previously).

Now, two days later, I have a piercing pain in the inside of my elbows that wasn't there after I lifted. It feels like it is coming from the tendons of the biceps, and hurts when I extend and flex my arm or when I put pressure on the joint. Also, my elbows now are locked at about a 160 degree angle and only by putting weight on them can I extend them more.

This is very odd because it's never happened before. Is it normal? It feels like the tendons have shrunk and it's worse than typical muscle tightness that follows workouts.

Post by **plained** » Wed Jun 22, 2005 2:19 pm

a marathon?

imo i belive unless you are a body builder, its best imo to save the magority of your strenth and energy for you sport.

lift light to moderate / higher volume imo

for yourstrains i would loosen it up with ultra light weights for relief and making sure stuff knits fully extendable.

also hottubs , good food, and rest imo

srz for spelling and such

Post by **tnf** » Wed Jun 22, 2005 3:02 pm

Sounds like tendonitis. Have you tried taking advil before working out? When my tendonitis flared up I was told to take something like 800 mg of advil a day, or was it more...I can't remember other than I took 2 pills 3 times a day.

I am guessing that pain inside the elbow is right near the 'point' - the medial epicondyl I believe. This is where the wrist flexors originate (and you know that tendons attach muscle to bone...). I know this because they also call pain from there (in some cases) medial epicondylitis, or "golfer's elbow."

Post by **Nightshade** » Wed Jun 22, 2005 3:08 pm

It's ass cancer. Yup. Definitely ass cancer.

Post by **tnf** » Wed Jun 22, 2005 3:10 pm

Yea, there is probably a giant rectal polyp impinging on the nerves in the arm.

Post by **Nightshade** » Wed Jun 22, 2005 3:12 pm

Precisely my diagnosis. I was thinking rectal amputation, do you concur Dr. tnf?

Post by **MKJ** » Wed Jun 22, 2005 3:14 pm

rectal amputation.. how does that work then

Post by **tnf** » Wed Jun 22, 2005 3:14 pm

Full blown colon removal, insertion of a J-tube, and the addition of a colostomy bag. And a prostate exam, for the hell of it.

Post by **Nightshade** » Wed Jun 22, 2005 3:17 pm

MKJ wrote:rectal amputation.. how does that work then

In layman's terms, we chop his ass off. Some patients require resolution of acute rectal-cranial impaction beforehand. That means that some idiots need to have their heads pulled out of their asses.

Post by **MKJ** » Wed Jun 22, 2005 3:21 pm

indeed. can this procedure be done on rep ?

Post by **werldhed** » Wed Jun 22, 2005 3:22 pm

tnf wrote:Sounds like tendonitis. Have you tried taking advil before working out? When my tendonitis flared up I was told to take something like 800 mg of advil a day, or was it more...I can't remember other than I took 2 pills 3 times a day.

I am guessing that pain inside the elbow is right near the 'point' - the medial epicondyl I believe. This is where the wrist flexors originate (and you know that tendons attach muscle to bone...). I know this because they also call pain from there (in some cases) medial epicondylitis, or "golfer's elbow."

I don't think it's epicondylitis, because it's right in the middle of the arm, not on either side. It feels to me to be right where either the bicep or the brachialis insert, which if I remember corrctly, is on the radius and ulna, respectively.
That doesn't mean it's not tendonitis, though. I took some ibuprofen this morning, but it apparently wasn't enough. I hadn't been taking anything when lifting because it's never happened before. I think I'll just give it some rest and see how it goes.

And you guys have it wrong. The doctor said the ass cancer has been causing my knee pain, not my elbow pain. Duh.

Post by **Nightshade** » Wed Jun 22, 2005 3:22 pm

MKJ wrote:indeed. can this procedure be done on rep ?

FFS, no! I'm a fake doctor, not a magician.

Post by **MKJ** » Wed Jun 22, 2005 3:23 pm

Nightshade wrote:
MKJ wrote:indeed. can this procedure be done on rep ?
FFS, no! I'm a fake doctor, not a magician.

bummer (pun :S ).

i figured, since he's a total ass, you could remove him from existance completely.

Post by **Ryoki** » Wed Jun 22, 2005 3:27 pm

I've once seen that particular procedure taking place in a remote indian village in the Andes... It was particulary bloody and didn't seem very sanitory, but they managed it in the end by sheer force of will and a borrowed axe. There was no narcotics of course, if it hadn't been for the shaman's continuous sleep inducing ritual chants the man might not have lived to tell the tale. It was quite the spectacle.

Post by **tnf** » Wed Jun 22, 2005 3:27 pm

werldhed wrote:
tnf wrote:Sounds like tendonitis. Have you tried taking advil before working out? When my tendonitis flared up I was told to take something like 800 mg of advil a day, or was it more...I can't remember other than I took 2 pills 3 times a day.

I am guessing that pain inside the elbow is right near the 'point' - the medial epicondyl I believe. This is where the wrist flexors originate (and you know that tendons attach muscle to bone...). I know this because they also call pain from there (in some cases) medial epicondylitis, or "golfer's elbow."
I don't think it's epicondylitis, because it's right in the middle of the arm, not on either side. It feels to me to be right where either the bicep or the brachialis insert, which if I remember corrctly, is on the radius and ulna, respectively.
That doesn't mean it's not tendonitis, though. I took some ibuprofen this morning, but it apparently wasn't enough. I hadn't been taking anything when lifting because it's never happened before. I think I'll just give it some rest and see how it goes.

And you guys have it wrong. The doctor said the ass cancer has been causing my knee pain, not my elbow pain. Duh.

So its on the back, like on the olecranon process?
If not tendonitis, might it be olecranon bursitis?
http://www.emedicine.com/sports/topic87.htm

Post by **MKJ** » Wed Jun 22, 2005 3:28 pm

Ryoki wrote:I've once seen that particular procedure taking place in a remote indian village in the Andes... It was particulary bloody and didn't seem very sanitory, but they managed it in the end by sheer force of will and a borrowed axe. There was no narcotics of course, if it hadn't been for the shaman's continuous sleep inducing ritual chants the man might not have lived to tell the tale. It was quite the spectacle.

now that is a procedure worthy of rep :icon14:

Post by **tnf** » Wed Jun 22, 2005 3:29 pm

I use a melon baller. And some ball bearings.

Post by **plained** » Wed Jun 22, 2005 3:40 pm

haha tear yourself apart lamma

Post by **Auburndale** » Wed Jun 22, 2005 3:40 pm

I experienced something similar. Hadn't lifted in a long while and after my arm workout, perhaps a day after, I experienced pain in my bicep/elbow area when I would try to extend my arm straight out. It went away after a couple of days. Don't lift with your arms until then. I suggest you start out using lighter weights as well as doing proper stretches and warmout before your workout

Post by **werldhed** » Wed Jun 22, 2005 3:40 pm

tnf wrote:So its on the back, like on the olecranon process?
If not tendonitis, might it be olecranon bursitis?
http://www.emedicine.com/sports/topic87.htm

It's on the inside of the joint (i.e. the acute angle). If you flex your arm a bit and press right in the middle of the elbow, you can feel the tendons right there. The pain is right there as well as just a little way up the arm (proximally). I just don't know why I can't extend my arm and why this never happened before. It seems awfully pronounced if it is just tight muscles.

Post by **plained** » Wed Jun 22, 2005 3:43 pm

definatly take pain meds and go much heavier , unless your weak

Post by **Ryoki** » Wed Jun 22, 2005 3:43 pm

tnf wrote:I use a melon baller. And some ball bearings.

I've once seen ball bearings used in a spectacular manner in Siberia. We'd been digging up wonderfully preserved mammoth carcasses for about three months, during which the temperatures dropped to a point where things weren't funny anymore. Then disaster struck one night in the form of our lead archeologist striking himself in the leg with a shovel, leaving a nasty, deep wound. We all knew he was a dead man if we didn't get him to a hospital to stop the bleeding, since he had that rare condition where your blood doesnt clod.

At this point we unfortunately had no medical supplies left since we used most of the bandages for pieces of clothing.... To make things worse the nearest chopper was twelve days out, and the only thing there was plenty of was ball bearings. In the end our engineer in a stroke of brilliance temporarily solved the situation by carefully stuffing the wound with ball bearings - the idea was that they would immediately freeze when the poor guy went outside, thus acting as a sort of stitching - and i dare say that if the man wouldn't have frozen to death almost instantly, he'd have had one hell of a chance to survive.

Post by **werldhed** » Wed Jun 22, 2005 3:43 pm

Auburndale wrote:I experienced something similar. Hadn't lifted in a long while and after my arm workout, perhaps a day after, I experienced pain in my bicep/elbow area when I would try to extend my arm straight out. It went away after a couple of days. Don't lift with your arms until then. I suggest you start out using lighter weights as well as doing proper stretches and warmout before your workout

I did stretches before and after (and I'm trying to continue them today). And I did reduce the weight, but apparently I underestimated just how much muscle loss had occurred since I had stopped lifting.

Or... maybe it was too soon after running and my body was still in recuperation mode? I dunno.

Post by **tnf** » Wed Jun 22, 2005 3:45 pm

werldhed wrote:
tnf wrote:So its on the back, like on the olecranon process?
If not tendonitis, might it be olecranon bursitis?
http://www.emedicine.com/sports/topic87.htm
It's on the inside of the joint (i.e. the acute angle). If you flex your arm a bit and press right in the middle of the elbow, you can feel the tendons right there. The pain is right there as well as just a little way up the arm (proximally). I just don't know why I can't extend my arm and why this never happened before. It seems awfully pronounced if it is just tight muscles.

Ahh...yea then, you have penis cancer.

But it really sounds like strained or inflammed tendons.
Can you recall a specific lift or rep that caused it?

Post by **tnf** » Wed Jun 22, 2005 3:46 pm

And, you should begin taking test-cypionate immediately, along with anavar and deca. Get a fentanyl patch for the pain.