So San Andreas is now adults only...

Post by **tnf** » Thu Jul 21, 2005 6:41 am

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/8647176/

"Video game's rating changed as creator admits sex scenes built-in"

Game will probably get a boost in sales...hehe.

Post by **Chupacabra** » Thu Jul 21, 2005 6:45 am

i hope it does get a boost in sales.

the whole thing is bullshit. gunfire/blowing shit up/all that other shit warrants a 17+ rating. but then add sex and the whole thing just goes nuts. it was on the national news tonight and shit. senators are up in arms about it. big fucking deal.

also, it looks as if DC's letter didnt work

Post by **Dave** » Thu Jul 21, 2005 6:46 am

That's on par with the tobacco industry creating a Joe Camel cartoon character to go after the kiddie market. Being a mass-market video game inherently aims at young consumers. Whether or not that matters is another argument

Post by **schlockey** » Thu Jul 21, 2005 6:46 am

Sex in the game isnt alright, but me fucking a hooker and then beating her to death to get back the cash i just paid her clap covered ass with, is alright?

God Bless America.

Post by **tnf** » Thu Jul 21, 2005 6:48 am

Yea, funny how this country freaks out over the blowjob scene in a game riddled with violence. That's something I've always thought was ass-backwards here in the states - to be honest, if I had to choose, I'd rather have my kid seeing a sex scene instead of seeing a guy blowing another guy's head off. Ideally, young kids aren't seeing either...but we all know its going to happen, so its the fucking parents job, not the governments job, to deal with it.

Post by **Eraser** » Thu Jul 21, 2005 6:54 am

If Rockstar makes a new box for the game and everything and probably has to make new masters because it probably mentions an R-rating in the game or some readme as well, why don't they simply take out the hot coffee code and reissue that as R-rated game?

Post by **Chupacabra** » Thu Jul 21, 2005 6:57 am

Dave wrote:That's on par with the tobacco industry creating a Joe Camel cartoon character to go after the kiddie market. Being a mass-market video game inherently aims at young consumers. Whether or not that matters is another argument

I just noticed that my post was riddled with cursing. im really not that angry but anyway, you make some good points. as tnf pointed out as well, its the whole sex thing thats ridiculous.

Post by **Dave** » Thu Jul 21, 2005 6:58 am

Game makers should use the same rating system movies use... G, PG, etc. People are already familiar with that system in the US, dunno about the rest of the globe. People are going to ignore them anyway, but there's no sense reinventing a perfectly good wheel unless that kind of thing gets you off like video game sex scenes.

Does Europe use the US rating system? Looking at the IMDB ratings for Pulp Fiction makes me think no:

Certification: USA:R / Argentina:18 / Australia:MA (cable rating) / Australia:R (original rating) / Canada:16+ (Quebec) / Canada:18A (collectors edition DVD) / Canada:R / Chile:18 / Denmark:15 / Finland:K-18 / France:-12 / Germany:16 / Hong Kong:III / Iceland:16 / Ireland:18 / Israel:18 / Italy:VM14 (re-release) / Italy:VM18 / Japan:R-15 / Netherlands:16 / New Zealand:R18 / Norway:18 / Poland:15 / Portugal:M/16 / Portugal:M/18 (Qualidade) / Singapore:R(A) (original rating) (cut) / Singapore:R21 (re-rating) (cut) / South Korea:18 / Spain:18 / Sweden:15 / Switzerland:16 / UK:18 (original rating) (uncut) / UK:18 (video rating) (1995) (cut) / USA:NC-17 (original rating)

Post by **Chupacabra** » Thu Jul 21, 2005 6:59 am

Eraser wrote:If Rockstar makes a new box for the game and everything and probably has to make new masters because it probably mentions an R-rating in the game or some readme as well, why don't they simply take out the hot coffee code and reissue that as R-rated game?

you mean make two versions of the game? well, maybe thats not what youre referring to but itd be interesting if they did in fact release two versions of the game.

Post by **Dave** » Thu Jul 21, 2005 7:00 am

Like edited for tv movies or walmart-safe copies of NWA's Straight Outta Compton. Reach a wider audience that way for people who actually pay attention to ratings

Post by **Chupacabra** » Thu Jul 21, 2005 7:06 am

Dave wrote:Game makers should use the same rating system movies use... G, PG, etc. People are already familiar with that system in the US, dunno about the rest of the globe. People are going to ignore them anyway, but there's no sense reinventing a perfectly good wheel unless that kind of thing gets you off like video game sex scenes.

Does Europe use the US rating system? Looking at the IMDB ratings for Pulp Fiction makes me think no:

Certification: USA:R / Argentina:18 / Australia:MA (cable rating) / Australia:R (original rating) / Canada:16+ (Quebec) / Canada:18A (collectors edition DVD) / Canada:R / Chile:18 / Denmark:15 / Finland:K-18 / France:-12 / Germany:16 / Hong Kong:III / Iceland:16 / Ireland:18 / Israel:18 / Italy:VM14 (re-release) / Italy:VM18 / Japan:R-15 / Netherlands:16 / New Zealand:R18 / Norway:18 / Poland:15 / Portugal:M/16 / Portugal:M/18 (Qualidade) / Singapore:R(A) (original rating) (cut) / Singapore:R21 (re-rating) (cut) / South Korea:18 / Spain:18 / Sweden:15 / Switzerland:16 / UK:18 (original rating) (uncut) / UK:18 (video rating) (1995) (cut) / USA:NC-17 (original rating)

both movies and video games should use the same system. i think the video game system is better. a lot of people have complained about the movie rating system. they say that pg-13 is a pretty wide category, but i think most parents are a bit more lenient, which is what causes the problem. a lot of them think if the kid is 10 or 11, its alright to watch pg-13 movies cause its close enough. then they see some pretty violent stuff in batman begins and you hear complaining..

Post by **Eraser** » Thu Jul 21, 2005 7:25 am

Dave wrote:Does Europe use the US rating system? Looking at the IMDB ratings for Pulp Fiction makes me think no:

I don't know if there's a global European rating system for movies, but there is for videogames. It's called PEGI. I also know that there is a dutch rating system but that doesn't work based on age. It tells people what they can expect of the movie and let people make the judgement for themselves.

There's icons for sex, violence, bad language, use of drugs, etc. so parents can decide for themselves.

Post by **Eraser** » Thu Jul 21, 2005 7:27 am

Chupacabra wrote:
Eraser wrote:If Rockstar makes a new box for the game and everything and probably has to make new masters because it probably mentions an R-rating in the game or some readme as well, why don't they simply take out the hot coffee code and reissue that as R-rated game?
you mean make two versions of the game? well, maybe thats not what youre referring to but itd be interesting if they did in fact release two versions of the game.

Well maybe not two versions, but scrap the old version and re-issue the game with the hot coffee mod removed.

Post by **Eraser** » Thu Jul 21, 2005 7:27 am

oh btw, the latest penny arcade:

Post by **Sevensins** » Thu Jul 21, 2005 7:33 am

Eraser wrote:If Rockstar makes a new box for the game and everything and probably has to make new masters because it probably mentions an R-rating in the game or some readme as well, why don't they simply take out the hot coffee code and reissue that as R-rated game?

GTA: San Andreas Re-Rated [July 20, 2005, 8:32 pm EDT] - Viewing Comments
This press release announces the conclusion of an investigation whereby The ESRB has re-rated Grand Theft Auto: San Andreas as AO, Adult only. The change is based on the racy Hot Coffee mod for the game, and makes the game for those 18 and older, after previously being rated M, for those 17 or older. Word is there will be an upcoming patch that throws cold water on hot coffee, and in the meantime, a decaffeinated version is in the works, and updated rating stickers are on the way:

Rockstar Games has ceased manufacturing of the current version of the title and will begin working on a version of the game with enhanced security to prevent the "hot coffee" modifications. This version will retain the original ESRB M-rating and is expected to be available during the Company's fourth fiscal quarter. Rockstar Games will be providing AO labels for retailers who wish to continue to sell the current version of the title.

Post by **S@M** » Thu Jul 21, 2005 7:34 am

tnf wrote: to be honest, if I had to choose, I'd rather have my kid seeing a sex scene instead of seeing a guy blowing another guy's head off.

:icon28:

good for you, but thats a highly subjective call, probably neither of those options is great for a "kid" (depending on age etc). Lots of parents obviously see violence as a form of entertainment (most of society does though) but there are issues (which dont seem to trouble you) with regard to children and sexual content.

My kids watch ratings appropriate stuff, and we openly discuss any questions they have. they still need reminding about whats on TV being pretend from time to time though

Post by **Dave** » Thu Jul 21, 2005 7:35 am

Without sex AND violence there would be no Stanley Kubrick, so hooray for sex and violence \o/

Post by **Eraser** » Thu Jul 21, 2005 7:36 am

Sevensins wrote:
Eraser wrote:If Rockstar makes a new box for the game and everything and probably has to make new masters because it probably mentions an R-rating in the game or some readme as well, why don't they simply take out the hot coffee code and reissue that as R-rated game?

GTA: San Andreas Re-Rated [July 20, 2005, 8:32 pm EDT] - Viewing Comments
This press release announces the conclusion of an investigation whereby The ESRB has re-rated Grand Theft Auto: San Andreas as AO, Adult only. The change is based on the racy Hot Coffee mod for the game, and makes the game for those 18 and older, after previously being rated M, for those 17 or older. Word is there will be an upcoming patch that throws cold water on hot coffee, and in the meantime, a decaffeinated version is in the works, and updated rating stickers are on the way:

Rockstar Games has ceased manufacturing of the current version of the title and will begin working on a version of the game with enhanced security to prevent the "hot coffee" modifications. This version will retain the original ESRB M-rating and is expected to be available during the Company's fourth fiscal quarter. Rockstar Games will be providing AO labels for retailers who wish to continue to sell the current version of the title.

good call :icon14:

Post by **Maiden** » Thu Jul 21, 2005 8:24 am

Dave wrote:Without sex AND violence there would be no Stanley Kubrick, so hooray for sex and violence \o/

heh, i just finished watching clockwork.

man, kubrick was the shit

Post by **Grudge** » Thu Jul 21, 2005 8:59 am

lol @ american bigotry

and yea, Kubrick is da man

Post by **+JuggerNaut+** » Thu Jul 21, 2005 9:05 am

Dave wrote:That's on par with the tobacco industry creating a Joe Camel cartoon character to go after the kiddie market. Being a mass-market video game inherently aims at young consumers. Whether or not that matters is another argument

he's got a penis for a nose ffs

Post by **saturn** » Thu Jul 21, 2005 10:47 am

hmmm....interesting, might get it for the xbox...how do you unlock the stuff for the xxxbox?

Post by **Dek** » Thu Jul 21, 2005 11:58 am

Well seeing how it was already rated M meaning meant for 17 and up.. it only makes it over 18 now if it's adults only.. bah, they were talking on the radio about 8-15 year olds playing it.. I'm like, ahem.. parents fault there...

Post by **eepberries** » Thu Jul 21, 2005 1:51 pm

Chupacabra wrote: but i think most parents are a bit more lenient, which is what causes the problem. a lot of them think if the kid is 10 or 11, its alright to watch pg-13 movies cause its close enough. then they see some pretty violent stuff in batman begins and you hear complaining..

No that really isn't a problem. I laugh at parents that follow move ratings exactly. Honestly, as long as your kid isn't a complete moron and you actually pay attention to them and their actions, it's OKAY to go a bit beyond their rating.

Post by **SplishSplash** » Thu Jul 21, 2005 3:20 pm

S@M wrote: :icon28:

good for you, but thats a highly subjective call, probably neither of those options is great for a "kid" (depending on age etc). Lots of parents obviously see violence as a form of entertainment (most of society does though) but there are issues (which dont seem to trouble you) with regard to children and sexual content.

Are you insane? What exactly are the "issues with regard to children and sexual content"?

What's gonna do more damage? Teaching a kid how to kill or teaching a kid how to make more humans?