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I just noticed that my post was riddled with cursing. im really not that angry but anyway, you make some good points. as tnf pointed out as well, its the whole sex thing thats ridiculous.Dave wrote:That's on par with the tobacco industry creating a Joe Camel cartoon character to go after the kiddie market. Being a mass-market video game inherently aims at young consumers. Whether or not that matters is another argument
you mean make two versions of the game? well, maybe thats not what youre referring to but itd be interesting if they did in fact release two versions of the game.Eraser wrote:If Rockstar makes a new box for the game and everything and probably has to make new masters because it probably mentions an R-rating in the game or some readme as well, why don't they simply take out the hot coffee code and reissue that as R-rated game?
both movies and video games should use the same system. i think the video game system is better. a lot of people have complained about the movie rating system. they say that pg-13 is a pretty wide category, but i think most parents are a bit more lenient, which is what causes the problem. a lot of them think if the kid is 10 or 11, its alright to watch pg-13 movies cause its close enough. then they see some pretty violent stuff in batman begins and you hear complaining..Dave wrote:Game makers should use the same rating system movies use... G, PG, etc. People are already familiar with that system in the US, dunno about the rest of the globe. People are going to ignore them anyway, but there's no sense reinventing a perfectly good wheel unless that kind of thing gets you off like video game sex scenes.
Does Europe use the US rating system? Looking at the IMDB ratings for Pulp Fiction makes me think no:
Certification: USA:R / Argentina:18 / Australia:MA (cable rating) / Australia:R (original rating) / Canada:16+ (Quebec) / Canada:18A (collectors edition DVD) / Canada:R / Chile:18 / Denmark:15 / Finland:K-18 / France:-12 / Germany:16 / Hong Kong:III / Iceland:16 / Ireland:18 / Israel:18 / Italy:VM14 (re-release) / Italy:VM18 / Japan:R-15 / Netherlands:16 / New Zealand:R18 / Norway:18 / Poland:15 / Portugal:M/16 / Portugal:M/18 (Qualidade) / Singapore:R(A) (original rating) (cut) / Singapore:R21 (re-rating) (cut) / South Korea:18 / Spain:18 / Sweden:15 / Switzerland:16 / UK:18 (original rating) (uncut) / UK:18 (video rating) (1995) (cut) / USA:NC-17 (original rating)
I don't know if there's a global European rating system for movies, but there is for videogames. It's called PEGI. I also know that there is a dutch rating system but that doesn't work based on age. It tells people what they can expect of the movie and let people make the judgement for themselves.Dave wrote:Does Europe use the US rating system? Looking at the IMDB ratings for Pulp Fiction makes me think no:
Well maybe not two versions, but scrap the old version and re-issue the game with the hot coffee mod removed.Chupacabra wrote:you mean make two versions of the game? well, maybe thats not what youre referring to but itd be interesting if they did in fact release two versions of the game.Eraser wrote:If Rockstar makes a new box for the game and everything and probably has to make new masters because it probably mentions an R-rating in the game or some readme as well, why don't they simply take out the hot coffee code and reissue that as R-rated game?
Eraser wrote:If Rockstar makes a new box for the game and everything and probably has to make new masters because it probably mentions an R-rating in the game or some readme as well, why don't they simply take out the hot coffee code and reissue that as R-rated game?
GTA: San Andreas Re-Rated [July 20, 2005, 8:32 pm EDT] - Viewing Comments
This press release announces the conclusion of an investigation whereby The ESRB has re-rated Grand Theft Auto: San Andreas as AO, Adult only. The change is based on the racy Hot Coffee mod for the game, and makes the game for those 18 and older, after previously being rated M, for those 17 or older. Word is there will be an upcoming patch that throws cold water on hot coffee, and in the meantime, a decaffeinated version is in the works, and updated rating stickers are on the way:
Rockstar Games has ceased manufacturing of the current version of the title and will begin working on a version of the game with enhanced security to prevent the "hot coffee" modifications. This version will retain the original ESRB M-rating and is expected to be available during the Company's fourth fiscal quarter. Rockstar Games will be providing AO labels for retailers who wish to continue to sell the current version of the title.
:icon28:tnf wrote: to be honest, if I had to choose, I'd rather have my kid seeing a sex scene instead of seeing a guy blowing another guy's head off.
good call :icon14:Sevensins wrote:Eraser wrote:If Rockstar makes a new box for the game and everything and probably has to make new masters because it probably mentions an R-rating in the game or some readme as well, why don't they simply take out the hot coffee code and reissue that as R-rated game?
GTA: San Andreas Re-Rated [July 20, 2005, 8:32 pm EDT] - Viewing Comments
This press release announces the conclusion of an investigation whereby The ESRB has re-rated Grand Theft Auto: San Andreas as AO, Adult only. The change is based on the racy Hot Coffee mod for the game, and makes the game for those 18 and older, after previously being rated M, for those 17 or older. Word is there will be an upcoming patch that throws cold water on hot coffee, and in the meantime, a decaffeinated version is in the works, and updated rating stickers are on the way:
Rockstar Games has ceased manufacturing of the current version of the title and will begin working on a version of the game with enhanced security to prevent the "hot coffee" modifications. This version will retain the original ESRB M-rating and is expected to be available during the Company's fourth fiscal quarter. Rockstar Games will be providing AO labels for retailers who wish to continue to sell the current version of the title.
heh, i just finished watching clockwork.Dave wrote:Without sex AND violence there would be no Stanley Kubrick, so hooray for sex and violence \o/
he's got a penis for a nose ffsDave wrote:That's on par with the tobacco industry creating a Joe Camel cartoon character to go after the kiddie market. Being a mass-market video game inherently aims at young consumers. Whether or not that matters is another argument
No that really isn't a problem. I laugh at parents that follow move ratings exactly. Honestly, as long as your kid isn't a complete moron and you actually pay attention to them and their actions, it's OKAY to go a bit beyond their rating.Chupacabra wrote: but i think most parents are a bit more lenient, which is what causes the problem. a lot of them think if the kid is 10 or 11, its alright to watch pg-13 movies cause its close enough. then they see some pretty violent stuff in batman begins and you hear complaining..
Are you insane? What exactly are the "issues with regard to children and sexual content"?S@M wrote: :icon28:
good for you, but thats a highly subjective call, probably neither of those options is great for a "kid" (depending on age etc). Lots of parents obviously see violence as a form of entertainment (most of society does though) but there are issues (which dont seem to trouble you) with regard to children and sexual content.