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Elite
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PostPosted: 03-28-2012 06:55 PM           Profile Send private message  E-mail  Edit post Reply with quote


PS4 will lock out used games, and no PS3 game compatibility

http://www.gamespot.com/news/next-plays ... rt-6368582




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PostPosted: 03-28-2012 07:10 PM           Profile Send private message  E-mail  Edit post Reply with quote


PS4 no comment LOL



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PostPosted: 03-28-2012 07:27 PM           Profile   Send private message  E-mail  Edit post Reply with quote


Sony lost my support a long time ago, so this doesn't surprise me.



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PostPosted: 03-28-2012 07:36 PM           Profile   Send private message  E-mail  Edit post Reply with quote


good, no more playing with poor people.




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PostPosted: 03-28-2012 07:53 PM           Profile Send private message  E-mail  Edit post Reply with quote


Meh. I'll wait until that's official.




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PostPosted: 03-28-2012 10:05 PM           Profile   Send private message  E-mail  Edit post Reply with quote


Who cares. Consoles are for kids.



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PostPosted: 03-28-2012 11:50 PM           Profile   Send private message  E-mail  Edit post Reply with quote


"They" claimed the next XBox was going to do this as well, but that has been refuted as pure speculation. I'll see what happens. I've rarely bought used games so I don't think I'd be that bothered by it. What would bother me though is if this prevents me from sharing games with my brother, which we've done on a few occasions.



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PostPosted: 03-29-2012 12:32 AM           Profile Send private message  E-mail  Edit post Reply with quote


LawL wrote:
Who cares. Consoles are for kids.


The time has come. PC users will mount the world! MWAHAHAAA /snort




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PostPosted: 03-29-2012 07:05 AM           Profile Send private message  E-mail  Edit post Reply with quote


LawL wrote:
Who cares. Consoles are for kids.
for once me and the dipshit agree...gg homo...




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PostPosted: 03-29-2012 07:37 AM           Profile Send private message  E-mail  Edit post Reply with quote


You're supposed to get a console to play new games, not old ones. Consoles are cheap cause they're sold at a loss which is covered by the licencing cost of games. Sony know what they're doing.

Backwards compatibility can be fun, but when the resolution of the screen is going to be higher, and the games weren't made with that in mind, what you need is updated conversions. If people are getting a new generation console and only playing old games on it, they're being skanks and they kill progress.

You'd be as sensible if you complained that your Blu-ray player doesn't have a VHS cassette drive :dork:




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PostPosted: 03-29-2012 07:43 AM           Profile Send private message  E-mail  Edit post Reply with quote


DTS wrote:
Consoles are cheap cause they're sold at a loss


Nice 20 year out-of-date factoid there grandad




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PostPosted: 03-29-2012 07:54 AM           Profile   Send private message  E-mail  Edit post Reply with quote


When consoles are first launched the majority sell at a loss. It takes a year to 18 months for things to be on an even keel. Noticeable exception being the Wii




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PostPosted: 03-29-2012 08:00 AM           Profile   Send private message  E-mail  Edit post Reply with quote


Don Carlos wrote:
When consoles are first launched the majority sell at a loss. It takes a year to 18 months for things to be on an even keel. Noticeable exception being the Wii

Notable exceptions being all of Nintendo's game devices



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PostPosted: 03-29-2012 08:00 AM           Profile Send private message  E-mail  Edit post Reply with quote


Memphis wrote:
DTS wrote:
Consoles are cheap cause they're sold at a loss


Nice 20 year out-of-date factoid there grandad


Wikipedia wrote:
In the current generation of consoles; both Sony and Microsoft have sold their consoles, the Playstation 3 and Xbox 360, respectively, at a loss and made up for it through game software and accessory profits.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Loss_leader#Examples

Moron.

Only the GameCube was different, which they made to be sold at "break-even or higher prices" - "BREAK EVEN" meaning NO profit - so they still were supposed to get their profit from game sales.

Don Carlos wrote:
When consoles are first launched the majority sell at a loss. It takes a year to 18 months for things to be on an even keel. Noticeable exception being the Wii


When consoles are first launched is when they are at their highest price :dork:, cause they haven't gone into such massive mass production yet, to keep the costs down. (The more they make, the cheaper it is. That's mass market economics.)




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PostPosted: 03-29-2012 08:05 AM           Profile Send private message  E-mail  Edit post Reply with quote


Try as I might I find it hard to believe that a PS3 costs over $800 to make in a paddy factory.




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PostPosted: 03-29-2012 08:11 AM           Profile Send private message  E-mail  Edit post Reply with quote


The PS3 is £190 in Argos. How is that $800? Australian dollars? :olo:




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PostPosted: 03-29-2012 08:14 AM           Profile Send private message  E-mail  Edit post Reply with quote


That's what iSupply 'estimated' they cost to produce upon release.




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PostPosted: 03-29-2012 08:23 AM           Profile Send private message  E-mail  Edit post Reply with quote


Well they said the blue laser diodes* were very expensive ("Them blue lasers are expensives"), which made the price of the PS3 very high until they figured out a way to make the blue laser diodes cheaper.

*(for the Blu-ray drive)




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PostPosted: 03-29-2012 10:12 AM           Profile Send private message  E-mail  Edit post Reply with quote


http://www.gamesindustry.biz/articles/2 ... ys-pachter

Quote:
GameStop could refuse to stock PlayStation Orbis, says Pachter




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PostPosted: 03-29-2012 11:41 AM           Profile Send private message  E-mail  Edit post Reply with quote


DTS wrote:
You're supposed to get a console to play new games, not old ones. Consoles are cheap cause they're sold at a loss which is covered by the licencing cost of games. Sony know what they're doing.

Backwards compatibility can be fun, but when the resolution of the screen is going to be higher, and the games weren't made with that in mind, what you need is updated conversions. If people are getting a new generation console and only playing old games on it, they're being skanks and they kill progress.

You'd be as sensible if you complained that your Blu-ray player doesn't have a VHS cassette drive :dork:


People want freedom, they don't want to be treated like feedbags. Backward compatibility can mean a lot for those who care.

1. will give extra intensive to upgrade their system, sooner rather than later because they know that even though they will slowly build up a new game library, they will have their old games to content with, without having two systems set up all the time, while also enjoying some new game releases.
2. better performance means better loading times for old games (as well as performance), hence better experience.
3.why does the old games have to run in super high resolution? can't they just run at their own resolution? lol?
4. both systems are using bluray, so nobody is forcing them to fit in there two diff. formats, so your dvd/vhs argument is unfair, and idiotic.

I don't even own a console , but that kind of regression in this market is pretty much guaranteeing that I never will.




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Tsakali wrote:
3.why does the old games have to run in super high resolution? can't they just run at their own resolution?


Cause they would have borders.




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PostPosted: 03-29-2012 12:06 PM           Profile Send private message  E-mail  Edit post Reply with quote


obligatory "lol, consoles"




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PostPosted: 03-29-2012 12:07 PM           Profile   Send private message  E-mail  Edit post Reply with quote


wat. no.




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PostPosted: 03-29-2012 12:08 PM           Profile   Send private message  E-mail  Edit post Reply with quote


Eraser wrote:
Don Carlos wrote:
When consoles are first launched the majority sell at a loss. It takes a year to 18 months for things to be on an even keel. Noticeable exception being the Wii

Notable exceptions being all of Nintendo's game devices

notable is that nintendo charges outrageous fees to publish for their platforms, and that they charge topdollar for all peripherals.




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PostPosted: 03-29-2012 12:26 PM           Profile Send private message  E-mail  Edit post Reply with quote


DTS, do you ever write anything factual?



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PostPosted: 03-29-2012 12:52 PM           Profile Send private message  E-mail  Edit post Reply with quote


Don't people want backward compatibility simply because there's limited space under a TV, and having three consoles under it might make you look like some kind of cunt?




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PostPosted: 03-29-2012 01:13 PM           Profile   Send private message  E-mail  Edit post Reply with quote


DTS wrote:

Don Carlos wrote:
When consoles are first launched the majority sell at a loss. It takes a year to 18 months for things to be on an even keel. Noticeable exception being the Wii


When consoles are first launched is when they are at their highest price :dork:, cause they haven't gone into such massive mass production yet, to keep the costs down. (The more they make, the cheaper it is. That's mass market economics.)


I am fully aware of mass market economics, but you are also missing out on the other side of production. Yeild become higher on the componants they use in the new systems. Take the PS3...the blu ray lazer diods had an attrocious yield rate when they were first made hence the £400+ price of the PS3. The 360 had a slightly more standard PC based system without blu-ray so was cheaper, but even still, it was expensive because the tech used was quite up to date.




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PostPosted: 03-29-2012 01:49 PM           Profile Send private message  E-mail  Edit post Reply with quote


Hey, Don Carlos, nice to see you're so knowledgeable on the subject (some of which I already stated in the thread, i.e. blue lasers) but I don't see what your point is.




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LawL wrote:
Who cares. Consoles are for kids.


but trix are for u



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PostPosted: 03-29-2012 03:25 PM           Profile Send private message  E-mail  Edit post Reply with quote


Don Carlos wrote:
I am fully aware of mass market economics


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DTS wrote:
You're supposed to get a console to play new games, not old ones. Consoles are cheap cause they're sold at a loss which is covered by the licencing cost of games. Sony know what they're doing.


Quote:
Microsoft has no reason to put out a new console soon, Pachter said. He estimates that the company makes about $115 of profit on the $300 Xbox 360, a model with a hard drive.


http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2012-03-1 ... rence.html




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DTS wrote:
Hey, Don Carlos, nice to see you're so knowledgeable on the subject (some of which I already stated in the thread, i.e. blue lasers) but I don't see what your point is.


Just making sure that you do know that I am so knowledgable on the subject. I wouldn't want you thinking otherwise.




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Memphis wrote:
Try as I might I find it hard to believe that a PS3 costs over $800 to make in a paddy factory.


It isn't. It's mostly R&D costs they're having to recoup.



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0psys wrote:
Don't people want backward compatibility simply because there's limited space under a TV, and having three consoles under it might make you look like some kind of cunt?

yes. matter of convenience also.




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DTS wrote:
You're supposed to get a console to play new games, not old ones. Consoles are cheap cause they're sold at a loss which is covered by the licencing cost of games. Sony know what they're doing.

Backwards compatibility can be fun, but when the resolution of the screen is going to be higher, and the games weren't made with that in mind, what you need is updated conversions. If people are getting a new generation console and only playing old games on it, they're being skanks and they kill progress.

You'd be as sensible if you complained that your Blu-ray player doesn't have a VHS cassette drive :dork:


You're putting it rather black & white here.
People obviously aren't getting a new console just to play old games on it. They'll buy and play new games, but it is very nice if your new console can also play your old games. Just take a look at the Wii and the success of its Virtual Console platform.



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