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PostPosted: 06-28-2012 06:21 AM           Profile Send private message  E-mail  Edit post Reply with quote


U mad conservabros?...




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Canadian Shaft
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PostPosted: 06-28-2012 06:36 AM           Profile Send private message  E-mail  Edit post Reply with quote


seremtan is furious




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Glayven?
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PostPosted: 06-28-2012 06:43 AM           Profile Send private message  E-mail  Edit post Reply with quote


You mean I can't get health care in Canada anymore? Shit...now I feel like an American.




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Etile
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PostPosted: 06-28-2012 08:53 AM           Profile Send private message  E-mail  Edit post Reply with quote


HM-PuFFNSTuFF wrote:
seremtan is furious


livid

as someone who enjoys the best (public) healthcare system in the world, the news that the right to a limited 2nd tier public healthcare option has been upheld by the supreme court of a country i don't live in makes me so mad




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PostPosted: 06-28-2012 09:00 AM           Profile Send private message  E-mail  Edit post Reply with quote


see




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seremtan wrote:

as someone who enjoys the best (public) healthcare system in the world


top 20 anyway... :sly:




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Glayven?
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PostPosted: 06-28-2012 09:04 AM           Profile Send private message  E-mail  Edit post Reply with quote


I'm sure xer0s and his Republican friends are hugging their copies of Atlas Shrugged, lamenting the rise of altruism in society and finding a way to blame it on Obama....or the fuckin jews.




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HM-PuFFNSTuFF wrote:
seremtan wrote:

as someone who enjoys the best (public) healthcare system in the world


top 20 anyway... :sly:


best is in the top 20. in fact, it's at the top :sly:




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PostPosted: 06-28-2012 09:47 AM           Profile Send private message  E-mail  Edit post Reply with quote


Where are you getting that from then? A quick google search disagrees...



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GONNAFISTYA wrote:
I'm sure xer0s and his Republican friends are hugging their copies of Atlas Shrugged, lamenting the rise of altruism in society and finding a way to blame it on Obama....or the fuckin jews.


are you sure he isn't loading up his pickup truck (the one with the 'don't tread on me' bumper sticker) with guns, beer and corn dogs before heading out to NASCAR and/or a lynching? or accepting Jesus Christ as his lord and saviour before protesting against fag-enablers and setting a homeless person on fire?

the possibilities are endless




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PostPosted: 06-28-2012 12:00 PM           Profile Send private message  E-mail  Edit post Reply with quote


Where are your manners? Setting a homeless person on fire is a Sunday-only thing.




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PostPosted: 06-29-2012 01:36 AM           Profile   Send private message  E-mail  Edit post Reply with quote


Heard about this yesterday when I took a client out to dinner. I was surprised to hear that it was upheld, but more surprised to find out that my client (guy I've worked with for about a year now) is a rampaging right-wing nutjob. I was doing my best to remain neutral, given that he's a client and I like money, and I almost had a fucking seizure when he said "Obama is the worst president we've ever had" and "I watch FOX News, and I just scan CNN and MSNBC to see if what FOX is saying is correct, it almost always is."

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAGH!

I don't think that the law being upheld is going to change much for me, I'm just happy that the Tea Party and right-wing fucktards are all up in arms about it. Apparently one congressfaggot likened it to 9/11. Yes, because upholding a law that's meant to provide healthcare for every American is EXACTLY like 19 terrorists flying loaded airliners into buildings. EXACTLY.




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I wonder, do all the nay-sayers have a well thought through alternative plan? Because saying "no" is so easy. It's saying "this is what we should do" that's the hard part. And right now, to me it seems like Obama is the only one that's making an attempt at actually changing things.



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From what I've seen, the party that's not in the White House just bitches about how much the other party sucks and that everything is their fault. No, you never hear of a better alternative (for the most part), just complaints and vague explanations (or completely manufactured bullshit like DEATH PANELS) regarding the depths of the other party's failures.

Politics in the US is a fucking joke. I heard Mitch McConnell on the radio the other day, quote from a remark he made in 2010 about how the Republicans' job for the next two years was to deny Obama a second term. Yeah, fuck that whole "representing and acting in the best interests of the American people" bullshit, just make sure you stay in Washington and get your muppet in the Oval Office. Useless assholes.

And of course all the Democratic dipshit pillow-biters are having an ecstatic self-congratulatory suckfest now. More useless assholes.




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PostPosted: 06-29-2012 03:55 AM           Profile Send private message  E-mail  Edit post Reply with quote


There's an extended interview with a right wing governor or somesuch on The Daily Show site (from last monday i believe) that i found pretty symbolic for the way republicans engage democrats in 'debate'.

It's a good watch because the guy is clearly quite clever, well spoken and charming, but he just lives in an alternate reality where just about every fact he's confronted with he can disagree with, based on absolutely nothing other than ideological differences. If a democrat would tell him the sky is blue, he'd deny it because a communist can't be correct. The whole interview Jon tries very patiently to get him to debate a couple of points and he just hits a brick wall every single time.

What i found especially remarkable is that at a certain point the dude says that in order to build something better, sometimes it's nessecary to destroy the old status quo. Which is indeed what the repubs have been doing since Obama won the elections; not offering alternatives, refusing cooperation on just about anything, but aiming for destruction. A tactic so incredibly cynic that it beggars belief.

Blah, blah, anyway, watch it.



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PostPosted: 06-29-2012 04:13 AM           Profile   Send private message  E-mail  Edit post Reply with quote


You analyze the entire interview yet fail to produce a name or even link. You Dutchies are strange creatures.



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PostPosted: 06-29-2012 04:43 AM           Profile Send private message  E-mail  Edit post Reply with quote


Lol Rubio....self hating spic...




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PostPosted: 06-29-2012 05:35 AM           Profile Send private message  E-mail  Edit post Reply with quote


Eraser wrote:
I wonder, do all the nay-sayers have a well thought through alternative plan? Because saying "no" is so easy. It's saying "this is what we should do" that's the hard part. And right now, to me it seems like Obama is the only one that's making an attempt at actually changing things.

They mostly just have a complete lack of empathy. Like my roommate. Until something actually applies to them or their family/friends, those other people are just lazy, freeloading, losers who need to go get a job. Oh and federal taxes are "unconstitutional".




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PostPosted: 06-29-2012 06:08 AM           Profile Send private message  E-mail  Edit post Reply with quote


this nation was unconstitutional many times over. we may not get things right for a very long time but we do get there eventually. most people will forget in 4-8 years time anyway...




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PostPosted: 06-29-2012 08:23 AM           Profile Send private message  E-mail  Edit post Reply with quote


bitWISE wrote:
Eraser wrote:
I wonder, do all the nay-sayers have a well thought through alternative plan? Because saying "no" is so easy. It's saying "this is what we should do" that's the hard part. And right now, to me it seems like Obama is the only one that's making an attempt at actually changing things.

Until something actually applies to them or their family/friends, those other people are just lazy, freeloading, losers who need to go get a job.


Classic behavior of a pack animal. Side with the house no matter the reason and consequences. And pretty much all the time the house is where religion is because that is what ties them together as a pack. No matter how illogical a viewpoint, they wouldn't dare go against their pack their community, (and since most communities form around a religious belief) their religion. It really is all about that connection with religion and the way it limits them. If you talk to one of them long enough they will soon throw a biblical reference that pretty much outlines what their stance on a subject should be and indeed is.

I think it is this evolutionary trait of blind commitment to the pack that has no doubt served us well 100,000 years ago, and unfortunately is just as important now as it ever was. Their emotional / psychological attachment of what defines their community (religion) trumps everything else, every time...and it IS a winning combination. That's why secularism will never stand a chance against a system that is wired to always bet on the house...their house.




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PostPosted: 06-29-2012 09:39 AM           Profile Send private message  E-mail  Edit post Reply with quote


well bible thumpers can't stop evolution...if humans survive, one day we will all be atheists...its already happening and can't be stopped...




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Americans don't believe in evolution because it hasn't happened to them yet.



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lol Obama, and his anti Darwinian policies.
So insignificant, but glad to see some rationality and sanity in the American legislative system.

Doesn´t really matter, though.
Change...
Soon...

Entire different ball game...
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PostPosted: 06-30-2012 08:31 AM           Profile Send private message  E-mail  Edit post Reply with quote


The thing that makes me laugh the hardest in all this is the morons who are pissed off about the ruling stating that they're "moving to Canada"...to avoid universal healthcare? That's like diving into the ocean to avoid getting wet.




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I know. I have seen three people I know personally post such things, one of them being a journalist for my local newspaper. The level of misinformation is unreal.



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PostPosted: 06-30-2012 12:12 PM           Profile Send private message  E-mail  Edit post Reply with quote


and the hubris of americans thinking other countries would just welcome them with open arms, especially the tosser's who have that mentality.




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PostPosted: 06-30-2012 12:19 PM           Profile Send private message  E-mail  Edit post Reply with quote


I've yet to meet an American at my work who wasn't thrilled about Canada's healthcare plan compared to what they were used to at home in the states.

In fact...the only complaints about Canada's universal healthcare that I've heard come from the Europeans who's individual country's universal healthcare systems are even better than Canada's. :olo:




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Mogul wrote:
I know. I have seen three people I know personally post such things, one of them being a journalist for my local newspaper. The level of misinformation is unreal.


Send them this link. It's from the site "HowThingsWork" and is reality-based, not Truthiness-based. Haters gonna hate but you might reach someone...

10 Health Care Systems Around the World

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In 2008, the Harvard School of Public Health and Harris Interactive conducted a survey that asked U.S. citizens whether their country had the best health care system in the world. Overall, 45 percent of the respondents believed that the U.S. did in fact have the best system, but when the results were broken down by political party affiliation, the differences were stark. Sixty-eight percent of Republicans claimed U.S. superiority, compared to only 32 percent of Democrats. More than half of Democrats -- 52 percent -- believed that other countries had better health care systems, a belief shared by only 19 percent of Republicans (the remainder of participants claimed not to know). Participants from both parties admitted that the U.S. was particularly weak in factors like making sure everyone had affordable health care and controlling health care costs [source: Harvard School of Public Health].

In the contentious debate about health care reform, the U.S. system is often compared to other systems around the world. Some are concerned that the U.S. spends twice as much per person, while others are willing to pay that price to have choice of providers and shorter waiting times. Myths abound about what health care is actually like in other countries, so let's go around the world and see for ourselves.




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PostPosted: 06-30-2012 09:43 PM           Profile   Send private message  E-mail  Edit post Reply with quote


china? really?




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Etile
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i don't think the article is a '10 healthcare systems that are better than america' type of deal - more '10 healthcare systems that are different from america'




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now if all those morons in washington had created a decent stimulus package that could have plugged the holes in state finances, this wouldn't have happened, and it would have boosted the economy as well [/keynes]

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Six of the nine candidates in last year’s nonpartisan mayoral election, including the victor, Mayor Steve Bach, signed the no-tax pledge pushed by Grover Norquist’s Americans for Tax Reform, according to the Colorado Springs Gazette.

Richard Skorman, one candidate who didn’t, was flooded with angry e-mails after saying in a debate why he opposed such a pledge. What, he asked, if the city got hit by a major wildfire?


lulz




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PostPosted: 07-03-2012 09:03 AM           Profile Send private message  E-mail  Edit post Reply with quote


seremtan wrote:
now if all those morons in washington had created a decent stimulus package that could have plugged the holes in state finances, this wouldn't have happened, and it would have boosted the economy as well [/keynes]

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Six of the nine candidates in last year’s nonpartisan mayoral election, including the victor, Mayor Steve Bach, signed the no-tax pledge pushed by Grover Norquist’s Americans for Tax Reform, according to the Colorado Springs Gazette.

Richard Skorman, one candidate who didn’t, was flooded with angry e-mails after saying in a debate why he opposed such a pledge. What, he asked, if the city got hit by a major wildfire?


lulz


I feel so sorry for Krugman...a voice of sanity in a sea of stupidity. It seems in today's world if you're an economist who's even considering thinking about how fucked things are, not even yet actually discussing it, that you're already a pariah and shit the money bed. Sociopathic children to the very core and they'll NEVER have an adult conversation about it. That old saying about how a man won't understand something if his job depends on him not understanding it....something something something.




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PostPosted: 07-09-2012 05:37 PM           Profile Send private message  E-mail  Edit post Reply with quote


pffffftttt

I'll grant you that any country's medical system must be great if it can sustain a person to reach seremtan's age but surely Canada wins with it's 1000 year old maggot remedies.

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