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IveGotPenisEnvy
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Posted: 10-17-2011 10:55 PM

is it possible to create flickering lights for quake 3? like the ones you see in doom?

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GtkRadiant
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Posted: 10-18-2011 03:40 AM

yup. all you have to do is set the following keys to the following entities:

WORLDSPAWN KEYS:

key:rbg
value:waves

LIGHT ENTITY KEYS:

key:style
value:X

(replace "X" with one of the following numbers.)

1 FLICKER (first variety)
2 SLOW STRONG PULSE
3 CANDLE (first variety)
4 FAST STROBE
5 GENTLE PULSE 1
6 FLICKER (second variety)
7 CANDLE (second variety)
8 CANDLE (third variety)
9 SLOW STROBE (fourth variety)
10 FLUORESCENT FLICKER
11 SLOW PULSE NOT FADE TO BLACK

EDIT

I don't know what doom is. it is possible to have flickering lights, but they might be different from whatever doom is.

Last edited by GtkRadiant on 10-18-2011 04:02 AM, edited 3 times in total.

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GtkRadiant
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Posted: 10-18-2011 03:43 AM

I got this list from some mapping website but I can't see a difference in the different values. maybe they're broken.

...or maybe I'm not looking close enough.

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Eraser
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Posted: 10-18-2011 05:52 AM

AFAIK they work in jk2, not Q3

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obsidian
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Posted: 10-18-2011 06:53 AM

The above is the SoF2/JK2 implementation of style lights and does not work with Q3. Q3Map2 has a somewhat hacked version of style lights, but keep in mind that it does have a significant performance overhead, so use it selectively.

http://robotrenegade.com/q3map2/docs/sh ... tyles.html

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themuffinman
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Posted: 10-18-2011 10:01 AM

I remember trying to add flickering lights simply by adding them with the style key set like in Q2. It works, but all styles are the same.

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IveGotPenisEnvy
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Posted: 10-18-2011 12:26 PM

weird, when i try adding the keys it doesn't work.

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GtkRadiant
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Posted: 10-18-2011 01:01 PM

IveGotPenisEnvy wrote:
weird, when i try adding the keys it doesn't work.

that's odd, I'm using the 2nd newest version of Entityplus and it's working fine. (except that all the styles are the same.)

this is what my worldspawn and light keys look like:

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Eraser
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Posted: 10-18-2011 01:08 PM

But isn't the fact that they're all the same exactly what the problem is here?

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GtkRadiant
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Posted: 10-18-2011 02:46 PM

Eraser wrote:
But isn't the fact that they're all the same exactly what the problem is here?

I thought the problem was that I.G.P.E. could not get the flicker effect to work, though I might be interpreting I.G.P.E.'s comment wrong.

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IveGotPenisEnvy
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Posted: 10-18-2011 08:28 PM

entityplus? i'm using gtkradiant and when i try adding the key to worldspawn it doesn't get added.

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themuffinman
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Posted: 10-18-2011 10:51 PM

IveGotPenisEnvy wrote:
entityplus? i'm using gtkradiant and when i try adding the key to worldspawn it doesn't get added.

That's mostly a problem in 1.5.0 and later. Select an ordinary brush in your map, press n and there's your worldspawn.

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Eraser
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Posted: 10-18-2011 10:56 PM

IveGotPenisEnvy wrote:
entityplus? i'm using gtkradiant and when i try adding the key to worldspawn it doesn't get added.

EntityPlus is a Quake 3 mod, has nothing to do with the level editor.

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obsidian
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Posted: 10-19-2011 10:28 AM

This thread makes me facepalm.

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IveGotPenisEnvy
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Posted: 10-20-2011 08:34 PM

im using 1.4.0 and i selected an ordinary brush but it didn't work either.

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Delirium
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Posted: 10-21-2011 02:19 AM

obsidian wrote:
This thread makes me facepalm.

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bludshot
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Posted: 10-22-2011 11:14 PM

You can definitely do flickering lights with q3map2 and lightstyles.

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IveGotPenisEnvy
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Posted: 11-24-2011 08:02 AM

I've seem to have got it working, but whilst they're [the flickering lights] enabled they seem to cause shader problems. Some shaders fail to work.

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r3t
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Posted: 11-30-2011 02:47 AM

I have hacked a light style in one of my old maps (State Prison 36). I did this by creating a shader for each surface which should be affected by the light style. In these shaders the lightmap stage is affected by an rgbGen wave:

map $lightmap
blendFunc add
rgbGen wave noise 6 8 0 4

You can vary the parameters to create different styles. I also added an extra stage to simulate ambient light (just a dark gray base texture) so the shader is not black when the light is "off".

There may be better ways to do this now, it's been some years since I worked on this

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Eraser
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Posted: 11-30-2011 02:56 AM

It's a clever trick that looks pretty good in your map. The only downside is that the lightgrid is (obviously) not affected so any players or items in there (or the first person view gun model) is not affected and will be lit as if the lights were on all the time.

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obsidian
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Posted: 11-30-2011 08:07 AM

You can set light juniors in the room to give off an averaged level of brightness so it looks okayish most of the time.

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is it possible to create flickering lights for quake 3? like the ones you see in doom?

I got this list from some mapping website but I can't see a difference in the different values. maybe they're broken....or maybe I'm not looking close enough.

AFAIK they work in jk2, not Q3

The above is the SoF2/JK2 implementation of style lights and does not work with Q3. Q3Map2 has a somewhat hacked version of style lights, but keep in mind that it does have a significant performance overhead, so use it selectively.http://robotrenegade.com/q3map2/docs/sh ... tyles.html

I remember trying to add flickering lights simply by adding them with the style key set like in Q2. It works, but all styles are the same.

weird, when i try adding the keys it doesn't work.

IveGotPenisEnvy wrote:weird, when i try adding the keys it doesn't work.that's odd, I'm using the 2nd newest version of Entityplus and it's working fine. (except that all the styles are the same.)this is what my worldspawn and light keys look like:

But isn't the fact that they're all the same exactly what the problem is here?

Eraser wrote:But isn't the fact that they're all the same exactly what the problem is here?I thought the problem was that I.G.P.E. could not get the flicker effect to work, though I might be interpreting I.G.P.E.'s comment wrong.

entityplus? i'm using gtkradiant and when i try adding the key to worldspawn it doesn't get added.

IveGotPenisEnvy wrote:entityplus? i'm using gtkradiant and when i try adding the key to worldspawn it doesn't get added.That's mostly a problem in 1.5.0 and later. Select an ordinary brush in your map, press n and there's your worldspawn.

IveGotPenisEnvy wrote:entityplus? i'm using gtkradiant and when i try adding the key to worldspawn it doesn't get added.EntityPlus is a Quake 3 mod, has nothing to do with the level editor.

This thread makes me facepalm.

im using 1.4.0 and i selected an ordinary brush but it didn't work either.

obsidian wrote:This thread makes me facepalm.

You can definitely do flickering lights with q3map2 and lightstyles.

I've seem to have got it working, but whilst they're [the flickering lights] enabled they seem to cause shader problems. Some shaders fail to work.

It's a clever trick that looks pretty good in your map. The only downside is that the lightgrid is (obviously) not affected so any players or items in there (or the first person view gun model) is not affected and will be lit as if the lights were on all the time.

You can set light juniors in the room to give off an averaged level of brightness so it looks okayish most of the time.

I got this list from some mapping website but I can't see a difference in the different values. maybe they're broken.

...or maybe I'm not looking close enough.

The above is the SoF2/JK2 implementation of style lights and does not work with Q3. Q3Map2 has a somewhat hacked version of style lights, but keep in mind that it does have a significant performance overhead, so use it selectively.

http://robotrenegade.com/q3map2/docs/sh ... tyles.html

IveGotPenisEnvy wrote:
weird, when i try adding the keys it doesn't work.

that's odd, I'm using the 2nd newest version of Entityplus and it's working fine. (except that all the styles are the same.)

this is what my worldspawn and light keys look like:

Eraser wrote:
But isn't the fact that they're all the same exactly what the problem is here?

I thought the problem was that I.G.P.E. could not get the flicker effect to work, though I might be interpreting I.G.P.E.'s comment wrong.

IveGotPenisEnvy wrote:
entityplus? i'm using gtkradiant and when i try adding the key to worldspawn it doesn't get added.

That's mostly a problem in 1.5.0 and later. Select an ordinary brush in your map, press n and there's your worldspawn.

IveGotPenisEnvy wrote:
entityplus? i'm using gtkradiant and when i try adding the key to worldspawn it doesn't get added.

EntityPlus is a Quake 3 mod, has nothing to do with the level editor.

obsidian wrote:
This thread makes me facepalm.