Says Raven.spookmineer wrote:WAI!
Or was it iD who already changed the player bound box size in D3?Slowly but surely... (ODQ3DM6)
Maybe it's only me but on this map I've got a green model of an armor (not rotating, even without the fx-sphere), instead of YA. Also it shows as a white icon while loading. I guess it's item_armor_small_sp, and should be item_armor_small.
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Don't you mean item_armor_jacket? :icon10: http://www.quake3world.com/forum/viewto ... 940#288940
Jacket gives 25 points of armor, this one +50. I looked into .map file - it's for sure sp armor:
One more proof:
Other bugs I've noticed:
RL and HB don't have a fx below them, holo fx below GL is set too high.
Some lights have detail level set to 10 - they don't disappear with r_lightdetaillevel 9. One such light is over YA, another over the rounded path to RG. All jumppad lights should have detail level set to 3 or 4.
The last issue: there is too much smoke below MH, I'd reduce the number of emitters to one or two.
All those issues are easy to fix. I hope you'll do that so the map will be closer to excellence.
VGJ anyway.
P.S. I couldn't find any q3w ads mentioned in readme
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// entity 3
{
"inv_item" "2"
"classname" "item_armor_small_sp"
"name" "item_armor_small_sp_1"
"origin" "1728 -1408 328"
"angle" "180"
}
Other bugs I've noticed:
RL and HB don't have a fx below them, holo fx below GL is set too high.
Some lights have detail level set to 10 - they don't disappear with r_lightdetaillevel 9. One such light is over YA, another over the rounded path to RG. All jumppad lights should have detail level set to 3 or 4.
The last issue: there is too much smoke below MH, I'd reduce the number of emitters to one or two.
All those issues are easy to fix. I hope you'll do that so the map will be closer to excellence.
VGJ anyway.
P.S. I couldn't find any q3w ads mentioned in readme
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I thought I'd post it here too - its a bit crowded in the LE screenshots thread:
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Ditch the SMC logo on the first shot, it doesnt overlay nice on those height 'differences' of the bumpmapped texture imo - the rest looks fancy - Although I might say I agree with Oeloe, and I'd add the color blue within his 'other hues'.
Aside from that, the redone gothic_block texture on, especialy the Red Armor jumppad area, does also differ very much in terms of cleanness (which you've on the other hand awesomely achieved in the floor of the first shot).
I'm not sure if you should listen to such comments, but remember that most gamers adjust their picmip, and what I've seen happening to alot of the quake4 maps with low settings, is that the sense of depth becomes very obscured. This can be rather easily be solved by change in textures - and especialy, by change in texture hue.
Remaking an existant map is hard, but whats most important isn't to exactly copy the map, but use the quality as your skeleton, and decorate it so to enhance that quality.
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Ditch the SMC logo on the first shot, it doesnt overlay nice on those height 'differences' of the bumpmapped texture imo - the rest looks fancy - Although I might say I agree with Oeloe, and I'd add the color blue within his 'other hues'.
Aside from that, the redone gothic_block texture on, especialy the Red Armor jumppad area, does also differ very much in terms of cleanness (which you've on the other hand awesomely achieved in the floor of the first shot).
I'm not sure if you should listen to such comments, but remember that most gamers adjust their picmip, and what I've seen happening to alot of the quake4 maps with low settings, is that the sense of depth becomes very obscured. This can be rather easily be solved by change in textures - and especialy, by change in texture hue.
Remaking an existant map is hard, but whats most important isn't to exactly copy the map, but use the quality as your skeleton, and decorate it so to enhance that quality.
map link q4odaxdm6 jan 04 624pm
http://www.savefile.com/files.php?fid=7815260
i deleted some decals already but not the specific one u mention .. i woud change it but it took me 3 hours just to upload this
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okay .. the maps been re-uploaded.
from 8fps on my rig originally when O'dium released it to 60fps.
the whole problem was they way it was originally built "visportal unfrendly" and that funky blue lightpulse thingy which leaks "visportals need to be sealed.. working around that took me 10 days of rebuilding the map and testing .
i changed what you guys have suggested and made a few areas a bit more easier to navigate specifically the doorway near RL.
getting these fps took a hell of a lot of testing and testing.
anyhoo after 8 days on this this is what i have , if i had to do this all over again i would have made it all visportal freindly but i wanted to stick to as close to what O'dium
made and i think i did except textures etc.
i hope this is the last version for a while.
if i had to do it again i definetly would have ditched trying to make it feel like quake3's dm6 and make it more quake4 freindly . i have in many places but i see areas that could be improved and cleaned up "lumber on roof yukky construction ..my bad" .
i have to go to work friday so unless a major bug is found this will remain q4odaxdm6 .. if not i will fix whatever needs fixing today and upload q4odaxdm6v2 "version2" .
have fun
http://www.savefile.com/files.php?fid=7815260
i deleted some decals already but not the specific one u mention .. i woud change it but it took me 3 hours just to upload this
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okay .. the maps been re-uploaded.
from 8fps on my rig originally when O'dium released it to 60fps.
the whole problem was they way it was originally built "visportal unfrendly" and that funky blue lightpulse thingy which leaks "visportals need to be sealed.. working around that took me 10 days of rebuilding the map and testing .
i changed what you guys have suggested and made a few areas a bit more easier to navigate specifically the doorway near RL.
getting these fps took a hell of a lot of testing and testing.
anyhoo after 8 days on this this is what i have , if i had to do this all over again i would have made it all visportal freindly but i wanted to stick to as close to what O'dium
made and i think i did except textures etc.
i hope this is the last version for a while.
if i had to do it again i definetly would have ditched trying to make it feel like quake3's dm6 and make it more quake4 freindly . i have in many places but i see areas that could be improved and cleaned up "lumber on roof yukky construction ..my bad" .
i have to go to work friday so unless a major bug is found this will remain q4odaxdm6 .. if not i will fix whatever needs fixing today and upload q4odaxdm6v2 "version2" .
have fun
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Could you please put the readme file inside the pk4 too and upload it again? 
Edit: oh boy, this is full of glitches. Sparklies and z-fighting all over the place. I made a load of screenshots of what i saw; if you want them i'll upload them in a zip file.
FPS are pretty good, but regardless of my lightdetaillevel i get less than 50 FPS at the ammo pillars.
Can't do bridge to rail. :/ Why'd you leave out those little 'triangles' in the corners?
The texturing doesn't look very consistent. A bit of a mishmash of colours (hues).
Don't want to be harsh but although the map will be well playable (FPS and layout close to the original), i don't think it looks very nice (even if the glitches were fixed).
Edit: oh boy, this is full of glitches. Sparklies and z-fighting all over the place. I made a load of screenshots of what i saw; if you want them i'll upload them in a zip file.
FPS are pretty good, but regardless of my lightdetaillevel i get less than 50 FPS at the ammo pillars.
Can't do bridge to rail. :/ Why'd you leave out those little 'triangles' in the corners?
The texturing doesn't look very consistent. A bit of a mishmash of colours (hues).
Don't want to be harsh but although the map will be well playable (FPS and layout close to the original), i don't think it looks very nice (even if the glitches were fixed).
I didn't mean to write "mismatch"; i meant mishmash as a synonym of "hodgepodge". I just meant that the green on the textures near RA/RL bridge and other colours in other areas just don't combine well. The different textures don't fit together very well.
Oh, i forgot to mention that i get quite a big increase of FPS when i enable skipbump and even skipspecular at the ammo pillars. I've never seen that happen in any other map so perhaps something funny is going on in that part of the map?
You also forgot to make that little 'ledge' on the sides if the doorways that you can stand on at the RL stairs and the RG jumppad. The only real texture "mismatch" is inside all the doorways btw but i think you already knew that.
I just meant that the green on the textures near RA/RL bridge and other colours in other areas just don't combine well. The different textures don't fit together very well.Oh, i forgot to mention that i get quite a big increase of FPS when i enable skipbump and even skipspecular at the ammo pillars. I've never seen that happen in any other map so perhaps something funny is going on in that part of the map?
You also forgot to make that little 'ledge' on the sides if the doorways that you can stand on at the RL stairs and the RG jumppad. The only real texture "mismatch" is inside all the doorways btw but i think you already knew that.
map link to q4odaxdm6 jan 04 624pm
http://www.savefile.com/files.php?fid=7815260
i can't do much more to it ..real life is taking over.
Oeloe .. there are no brick textures for quake4 .. i only had 2 of them
and i could not see me making this map all brown with one texture.
this seemed to be a good comprimise and i really tried to get both themes to fit. i think it worked out better then having all brick.
i must have restextured te map at least 10 times and nothing gived.
likei said O'dium and i tried to stick to the look of the original.
http://www.savefile.com/files.php?fid=7815260
i can't do much more to it ..real life is taking over.
Oeloe .. there are no brick textures for quake4 .. i only had 2 of them
and i could not see me making this map all brown with one texture.
this seemed to be a good comprimise and i really tried to get both themes to fit. i think it worked out better then having all brick.
i must have restextured te map at least 10 times and nothing gived.
likei said O'dium and i tried to stick to the look of the original.
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Love it to bits, not polished like Ravens (yet) but still prefer this one. Not keen on the ceiling girder models and maybe also loose a few roof strutts but love the skid marks and door trims
Heads up on a few z-fighters:
This wall was a bit confusing:
It's probably just me but I still think the 'castle stone texture' is too 'blocky' or 'quake1 ish' but can fully understand that it is easier/more forgiving to use, rather than trying to made a 'tech' texture fit
Great work :icon14: take a break and get some more opinions
Just my 2 cents :icon26:
Heads up on a few z-fighters:
This wall was a bit confusing:
It's probably just me but I still think the 'castle stone texture' is too 'blocky' or 'quake1 ish' but can fully understand that it is easier/more forgiving to use, rather than trying to made a 'tech' texture fit
Great work :icon14: take a break and get some more opinions
Just my 2 cents :icon26:
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I uploaded the above file to a free host.axbaby wrote:map link to q4odaxdm6 jan 04 624pm
http://www.savefile.com/files.php?fid=7815260
Since I can't get my FTP to work for the webspace I have I'll add links to this message when I upload to more free hosts
- q4odaxdm6______version2.zip Hosted @ Filefactory.com
- q4odaxdm6______version2.zip Hosted @ storeandserve.com
- q4odaxdm6______version2.zip Hosted @ mychost.com
- q4odaxdm6______version2.zip Hosted @ badongo.com
- q4odaxdm6______version2.zip Hosted @ sendmefile.com
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@ppp: you should increase the gamma of your pics if you want to point out small glitches. I bump the gamma of all my q4 screenshots to 1.2 with Photofiltre before resizing and cropping them.
@axbaby: are you leaving in all the sparklies and z-fighting (for someone else to fix)? Some of the sparklies disappeared when using a lightdetaillevel higher than 0, but it could also be that more of them are visible with ATi cards than with nV cards. Anyway, they're construction errors and should be fixed (by someone).
I know that the amount of resources like custom textures and map models is still very limited for Q4 and you didn't do a bad job at recreating dm6. Nonetheless i think i'd prefer playing the Raven redux version or perhaps a modified version of it (with stairs readded). q4dm9++?
@axbaby: are you leaving in all the sparklies and z-fighting (for someone else to fix)? Some of the sparklies disappeared when using a lightdetaillevel higher than 0, but it could also be that more of them are visible with ATi cards than with nV cards. Anyway, they're construction errors and should be fixed (by someone).
I know that the amount of resources like custom textures and map models is still very limited for Q4 and you didn't do a bad job at recreating dm6. Nonetheless i think i'd prefer playing the Raven redux version or perhaps a modified version of it (with stairs readded). q4dm9++?
Have a mirror up in a sec.PieceMaker wrote:I uploaded the above file to a free host.axbaby wrote:map link to q4odaxdm6 jan 04 624pm
http://www.savefile.com/files.php?fid=7815260
I'll add links to this message when I upload to more free hosts
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scourge34 wrote:Have a mirror up in a sec.PieceMaker wrote:I uploaded the above file to a free host.axbaby wrote:map link to q4odaxdm6 jan 04 624pm
http://www.savefile.com/files.php?fid=7815260
I'll add links to this message when I upload to more free hosts
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q4odaxdm6______version2.zip
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