X-Men 3 - scene after the credits

Post by **hax103** » Thu Jun 08, 2006 1:17 pm

Jackal wrote:The Phoenix did not create a clone of Jean Grey. The clone of Jean Grey was created by Mr. Sinister and the clone's name was Madelyn Pryor. Sinister created the clone because he knew that the genes of Cyclops and Jean Grey could potentially make the "perfect" mutant. They did eventually have a child and that child was Cable.

And maybe I shouldn't have used the word "revived" but it was the phoenix that was responsible for resurecting Jean Grey.

From the above Wiki entry:

"Now thinking that it was really Jean Grey, the Phoenix Force put the real Jean in a cocoon to heal and went on its business as Jean Grey, except now it was calling itself Phoenix"

The "Jean Grey" who died in the battle with the Shi'ar Imperial Guard was actually the copy created by the Phoenix. The real Jean Grey was in stasis the whole time in a cocoon.

And if you doubt the Wiki entry, here is the actual note direct from the marveldatabase

"Acting on her wish to save her teammates, the Phoenix Force placed Jean Grey within a protective cocoon and replaced her with a duplicate."

There were 2 copies of Jean Grey - one made by the Phoenix (who died in the Shiar Imperial Guard battle) and one made by Mr. Sinister (Madelyne Pryor).

Post by **Jackal** » Thu Jun 08, 2006 2:05 pm

hax103 wrote:
Jackal wrote:The Phoenix did not create a clone of Jean Grey. The clone of Jean Grey was created by Mr. Sinister and the clone's name was Madelyn Pryor. Sinister created the clone because he knew that the genes of Cyclops and Jean Grey could potentially make the "perfect" mutant. They did eventually have a child and that child was Cable.

And maybe I shouldn't have used the word "revived" but it was the phoenix that was responsible for resurecting Jean Grey.
From the above Wiki entry:

"Now thinking that it was really Jean Grey, the Phoenix Force put the real Jean in a cocoon to heal and went on its business as Jean Grey, except now it was calling itself Phoenix"

The "Jean Grey" who died in the battle with the Shi'ar Imperial Guard was actually the copy created by the Phoenix. The real Jean Grey was in stasis the whole time in a cocoon.

And if you doubt the Wiki entry, here is the actual note direct from the marveldatabase

"Acting on her wish to save her teammates, the Phoenix Force placed Jean Grey within a protective cocoon and replaced her with a duplicate."

There were 2 copies of Jean Grey - one made by the Phoenix (who died in the Shiar Imperial Guard battle) and one made by Mr. Sinister (Madelyne Pryor).

You're talking about two completely different story arc. Jean Grey/The Phoenix has died about four times. The battle with the Shiar is a different story completely. You can keep citing that fucking Wiki as much as you want but I have the original run of comics. Stop trying.

Post by **menkent** » Thu Jun 08, 2006 2:56 pm

and i've got the graphic novel sitting on my shelf right here. hax is right. the phoenix of the dark phoenix saga - the one that came out of the lake and is portrayed in the film - was not actually jean grey, who was still in davey jones' locker. check, for instance, uncanny #270 where jean refers to both pryor and phoenix as "extensions of [her] own being"... that is, not literally her being. you're a mook, try going back and reading all your l33t com1x instead of just jerking off to pics of the redhead.

Post by **Jackal** » Thu Jun 08, 2006 3:03 pm

Ok, fair enough. Regardless, he called it a "clone" which led me to believe he was talking about Madelyn Pryor.

Post by **brisk** » Thu Jun 08, 2006 3:17 pm

menkent, despite seemingly being the winner in this thread, still somehow managed to be a loser

Post by **menkent** » Thu Jun 08, 2006 3:45 pm

i know =\
i've been rereading some of the old trades recently because the other books i'm reading are kinda boring. if you need me, i'll be over in the corner sorting my d&d dice and trying to build anatomically correct women out of legos. *sigh*

Post by **Pext** » Thu Jun 08, 2006 3:48 pm

whoa... someone got to much time on their hands, writing these wiki entries!!!

Post by **Jackal** » Thu Jun 08, 2006 4:09 pm

menkent wrote:i know =\
i've been rereading some of the old trades recently because the other books i'm reading are kinda boring. if you need me, i'll be over in the corner sorting my d&d dice and trying to build anatomically correct women out of legos. *sigh*

What do you currently read?

Post by **Maiden** » Thu Jun 08, 2006 4:26 pm

wonder what all my old comics are worth?
got a peter parker spidy issue #1
ive got hulk #181 (first wolvie) though its not mint
think I've got every issue of the x-men from issue #125-230
wolvie mini series
bunch of other crap
should check out the prices again since there is another movie out

Post by **Jackal** » Thu Jun 08, 2006 4:36 pm

Generally the rule with comics is that they're worthless.
They may be listed at a certain "value" but the problem is that there is virtually no re-sale market for the things.

Post by **hax103** » Thu Jun 08, 2006 5:25 pm

brisk wrote:menkent, despite seemingly being the winner in this thread, still somehow managed to be a loser

lol. indeed. to win ...

is to lose in these comics nerds battles

Post by **menkent** » Thu Jun 08, 2006 6:05 pm

i dont get any new comics... just pick up the ultimate x-men trades as they come out plus one or two other collections of older stuff once in a while (like i got the infinity war trade last month... might pick up Y: The Last Man next time i have money to waste).

Post by **Jackal** » Thu Jun 08, 2006 6:15 pm

Y: The Last Man is one of the two best comic books going right now. The first being The Walking Dead.

Post by **menkent** » Thu Jun 08, 2006 7:15 pm

yea, i just got sick of all the crossovers and alternate super special limited wtfever covers and miniseries that were being pushed in the late 90's. i like the ultimates stories, but not enough to deal with the hassle of trying to keep up with them.

Post by **MKJ** » Thu Jun 08, 2006 7:17 pm

brisk wrote:menkent, despite seemingly being the winner in this thread, still somehow managed to be a loser

very well put
although i dont quite agree

Post by **menkent** » Thu Jun 08, 2006 7:18 pm

hey, i thought you were jumping over a high building or something

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Post by **MKJ** » Thu Jun 08, 2006 7:19 pm

im waiting for a reply